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Oops, thanks for pointing that out.
Will correct that this afternoon.Ryan,
PS: welcome to the board and feel free to register and let us know who you are
Welcome to the new private forum, er, administration forum.
This one is invisible to everybody else except those who have been granted access. This is an advantage of the new board. The old one would let me put a password on it, but I couldn’t make it invisible. It seemed a little elitist (as Matt Aitken pointed out) to have a forum sitting there which most people couldn’t access. This way they don’t even know it exists!
Anyone who requests access to this forum will probably be given it. I figure if they’re motivated enough to request it and even know that it exists then they probably deserve to see what’s going on in the background of the hockey scene. And I don’t think there’s anything secret to do with ice hockey round here anyway – or atleast if there is I don’t know about it!
Ryan,
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Ryan
Posted: Apr 6 2006, 02:21 PMQUOTE
But I’d feel real stupid standing there at the ice rink telling players to shoot at cones and skate around in a circle, particularly when they’ve been ice blacks or something.Yeah, it’s a bit weird.
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I was originally thinking of just getting people to total up their teams, with players graded 1, 2, or 3 (while we’ve used a four point grading system this time, if the DIHL is split then the A pool range is going to be from (say) Kyle level, to ice black level, so three grades is going to be a reasonable range to cover that).I’d be inclined to go the opposite way and have say a ranking from 0 – 10. Some of the people we ranked as a 1 last time are way better than other 1 people and I think that tends to skew things a little. Somebody like James for example is significantly better than Shane McD but both would be graded as a 1 on the current system.
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I’m not sure we’re yet at the stage where people are starting to see the dihl as something where they might stay with the same team for several years. I guess that’s something we’re going to have to try and develop, and one of the ways we should think about doing that is to make the dihl next year run all season – about 20 weeks or so.That should help a lot. I also think that putting an addition to the advertising saying that if they are interested in fielding an entire team then please contact
?. I’m guessing that teams which are created by an individual are more likely to be organised and have a soild team environment than one which we just make up and toss a uniform to. Once one or two teams like this pop up other people should see it works and hopefully follow suit.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 7 2006, 12:40 PMHave heard back from Joyce who confirmed that the DIHA has no procedures for any of this stuff and she suggested I prepare a document and submit it to the DIHA for approval once it’s done.
I’ll post the rules on here before giving to the DIHA. I’ve started a rough set of rules already. Not sure when they’ll be ready for posting on here though.
kyle
Posted: Apr 7 2006, 01:50 PMYeah, no big rush, I’d be keen to have a go at it after I get back from holiday. As long as its ready when we start signing people up for the second half of the year DIHL.
I’d have a look at a few things on http://www.nziha.com as well – strip a few bits out of their disciplinary procedure to make our own mini one, etc.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 7 2006, 02:09 PMGood idea about the NZIHA procedures
kyle
Posted: Apr 13 2006, 06:06 PMHi Ryan,
Did anyone talk to Andre? I’m quite happy for him to replace Brendon in our team, but I also won’t be too worried if he doesn’t play. I’m not sure if we can go wiping any goals he’s scored. Kings, Ducks, and Bullfrogs (at least) have all played either unregistered, or incorrect players on their teams during the DIHL so far this year. I don’t particularly care either way, as as far as I can tell it won’t affect any results of games, but we have no policy for any of these things – they’re precisely the things we’ve discussed sorting out above.
Anyway, I think it’d be good for us to sort these things out amongst ourselves before we go announcing what we’re doing to everyone. I don’t mind people objecting to whatever Andre and Brendon have done – I don’t even really know what they’ve done, certainly from this distance I’ve got no idea, but in the absence of a procedure, we should probably agree that decisions are made by our ‘committee’.
I think we should send out an email to all the players as well. We’re kinda at the halfway point, and we should remind players that there won’t be any hockey at all for the next two weeks. Joyce was going to send me some stuff about the Easton cup, but I guess it’s too late to get people into that, but we should promote the web site and the forum – it’d be nice to have more than half a dozen people using this.
From this distance, I don’t want to start sending out emails, so perhaps you should do it?
Kyle
Ryan
Posted: Apr 14 2006, 05:35 PMPoint taken about Andre. I will modify my post and change the stats accordingly.
I didn’t want to bug you about this while you’re on holiday so just made the call myself. Particularly as it didn’t affect the number of points your team has.I was going to talk to Andre but was late for the Bullfrogs game and when I did arrive, he was on the ice. I considered tapping him on the shoulder and telling him he’s not sposed to be their but he was playing in goal at the time! So I let him be and will be seeing him either tonight or tomorrow night.
I offered to send an email for Joyce, but by the time she sent me all the info. it was really too late anyway. They seem to have stacks of players turning up anyway.
I’m well on my way to finishing up a draft set of rules for you to look over but you should really be out enjoying your holiday so feel free to leave all this crap till you get back here. I’ll probably post a link to it in the next day or so. Most of it is all my way of doing things and I’m sure you’ll have lots of changes to make. It’s actually a little tricky making this rule book thing as there’s always little loop holes which need to get filled in.
Ryan,
Ryan
Posted: Apr 20 2006, 12:16 PMInteresting comment Kyle in the DIHL forum about not thinking private groups entering teams was a good idea. Why is that? As long as there’s a grading system in place the level of players in the teams should be constant.
I was thinking along the lines of creating a team which trains each week and goes to play other teams in the area if we get round to it. Not an SIHL team as such, just a ‘proper’ team which has practises and has some control over who comes into and leaves it. Not really any different to the current system, just that the league (ie: us) wouldn’t choose the players. Actually I probably would have a say in my own team but that’s just coincidence. I thought the idea of having private groups and individuals fielding their own teams was a great idea. It removes the hassle of us organising them. Plus they may supply their own uniforms. And they may develop into some sort of team which may be keen to compete in the SIHL in the future – that’s sort of where I’m going with my current plan. Plus they can recruit their own players which may help us in getting new players interested.
Most sports I know of allow you to field an entire team of your own choice without any restrictions at all. I don’t think that would work as you’d have the same problem as ChCh inline, but as long as there’s some control by the league over the level of players then I can’t see that it should be a big problem.
I’ve completed a draft of a set of rules, I’ll upload them tonight possibly. It contains all of my own ideas about team entries etc.
It doesn’t have much in the way of disciplinary stuff though as I wasn’t quite sure what you had in mind. My set of rules just say that any disciplinary problems will be dealt with by the DIHA committee.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 20 2006, 02:51 PMhttp://www.geocities.com/dunedinicehock … lebook.doc
It’s a little disorganised but it’s all in there.I’m really keen on this idea of allowing anyone to enter a team. The most fun competitions I’ve ever been involved are the ones where there’s some sort of team comaraderie, you don’t get that in the DIHL.
Oh yeah, I think I may have put prices and stuff in that rule book. Those were just to fill in the blanks. Numbers can of course (and probably will) be changed.
I’m also using the reverse grading system to what Kyle suggested in the main forum. I’m just following the ChCh system, makes sense to follow that so we don’t confuse any imports. Ie: 10 is a pro player, 0 can’t skate at all, 5 is in the middle.
Ryan,
kyle
Posted: Apr 24 2006, 09:41 AMQUOTE (Ryan @ Apr 20 2006, 12:16 PM)
Interesting comment Kyle in the DIHL forum about not thinking private groups entering teams was a good idea. Why is that? As long as there’s a grading system in place the level of players in the teams should be constant.I’m not entirely opposed to people being able to form their own teams. My concern is making sure that it doesn’t end up being an elitist system, where a bunch of people formed their own teams, and then the leftovers all got thrown in together like scraps.
I guess the alternative way to look at it is to say ‘right, there will be 4 A pool teams’, we might have one organised by the committee for people who don’t know people, and then say ‘anyone else want to form a team, go ahead’. You might then form a team, Matt Newton might form one, and John Bradfield might form one (hypothetically). I guess they’d be more likely to stick together that way, and as long as the players were graded to ensure balance, it would still work.
I also think we’re going to need to be firmer on our registrations if we go this way, and at least for the A pool, set a registration date, and charge a late fee after that. The B pool wouldn’t be such a problem, but it mangles the balance of teams if people sign up late. People down here are just going to have to get used to ‘there’s the date, if you miss it, you miss out, or you pay extra’.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 24 2006, 04:05 PMAh, I see, that makes sense.
Shouldn’t be too much of a problem atleast in the beginning as I don’t think many teams would sign up. I haven’t checked, but I’m fairly sure in my list of rules somewhere there’ll be a comment to the effect that team entries will be admitted at discretion of the league officials, which would give us some flexibility in turning down team entries if they were too late.
I don’t think there would be a problem with players signing up late, atleast using the system I’m suggesting, as they would simply need to join a team in which they didn’t breach the average grading of. Could be a problem for the likes of James VL or Simon or similar if they tried to sign up late but most people should be fine if we’re careful with where we set the average grade to.
There was a similar problem in the Calgary Roller Hockey League where there was one individuals team which got destroyed by everyother team. But on the flip side the same situation existed in the University of Calgary Intramural hockey league which I played in and that team destroyed all the ‘actual’ teams. There was no system in place to limit the level of teams in those leagues though, you could field a team entirely of ex semi-pro hockey players if you felt like it – and this did happen! Atleast with our system there’s some limits on what teams can do.
kyle
Posted: Apr 25 2006, 03:26 AMOK, well I guess I’m kinda convinced. As long as I don’t have to organise a team this time around!
Ryan
Posted: Apr 25 2006, 08:03 PMKyle, when you’re back in town we should up to hammer some of these ideas out in person. I particularly don’t want to go squashing any of your ideas without some sort of debate on them.
My ideas aren’t always the best. Although I’d like to think so tongue.gif
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Ryan
Posted: Mar 20 2006, 06:21 PMAm just wondering if anyone has talked to Neil or whoever is doing the grooming tomorrow night about what type of groom, timing etc. we want?
At 1hr for each game we’ll need them to really pull finger as soon as each game is over and they probably need to do a few dry grooms between the 1st/2nd and 3/4th games instead of a wet one or we might run over time I think. Plus the refs and time keepers need to know that we’re on an ultra tight time schedule as well.
Ryan
Posted: Mar 20 2006, 06:26 PMTwo of my players need a stick and helmet. I forgot to add that to their info. on the spreadsheet.
They’re Andy Noble and Mark Hareb. I have the money for Mark and Andy will be bringing along the full $110 on Tuesday night.
kyle
Posted: Mar 23 2006, 01:04 AMJust looking at the results from Tuesday. I think we’ve largely got the teams pretty good. SK8 were down a bit, but if they’d had Jesse there I think they would have been much closer to the Beasts. Bulls and Bullfrogs were pretty close. I think Ducks are probably the strongest team, but I know Toby has said that he won’t necessarily be there every week, so that’ll make a bit of a difference if that happens. John McGlashan went down to Sharks, but nothing too horrendous.
Kings took a hammering, with no Damien Watson turning up. I think this is the problem we need to address. I’ll keep on trying to phone Damien to see if he’s actually going to turn up – apparently he’s said he will, but we have no money or signup sheet for him, so it’s a bit of an unknown. We do need a second quality player for this team, otherwise they’re going to get the same results all tournament.
If we can get Damien we’re fine, if we can’t, I think we need to find them another 1 grade player. Ryan said he’d try one of the van Leeuwen brothers. I know James is going overseas soon, but in lieu of anything better turning up, perhaps we could offer James to play for free until he goes. Adrian or Andre would also be fine however., particularly as they’d probably be here till the end. Perhaps we could tempt another penguin in. It wouldn’t be my first suggestion to let anyone play the rest of the tournament for free, but if we were having trouble finding someone, then I’d probably be happy to do it for a Mike Sam or something similar. What about Stu? Ryan can you take charge of finding an alternative if Damien falls through?
I know in particular, on top of a good player to pick them up, they need a person who’ll talk to them on the bench and lead them on the rink. Garett is playing for them, but he’s definitely not a captain figure. He only really agreed to play with them on the condition that there was a second good player, so we really need that second player to turn up.
Ryan
Posted: Mar 24 2006, 06:01 PMSorry for the delay in replying. Am extremely busy at the moment but will see what I can do re: Kings player tomorrow.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 3 2006, 02:03 PMHave had no luck on the Kings player front although Damian has turned up for the last game anyway.
I’ve now organised a goalie (probably) for when their goalie is away April 2nd I think it is. Becky Brassett will taking over for that game as long as she’s not too busy, she’ll confirm the week before hand. Otherwise we’ll probably just have to get another goalie to double shift. Or get Sammy or someone to take over.
kyle
Posted: Apr 3 2006, 02:57 PMYup, that’s good, cheers.
I think we can stop trying to find Kings a new player now that Damien is actually on board. I think if Garett hadn’t been sick last week they might have got close to a draw/win. Garett and Ian seemed to be happy, so I’m happy.
I’m going to try and compile a list of people who haven’t paid for Tuesday night. Shouldn’t be too many, but we have to get onto it.
Our non-payers from last year are going to a committee meeting tonight I think. I can’t attend (it’s at 7:30), but if anyone wants to go.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 5 2006, 03:37 PMThought I’d post in here about Andre.
He shouldn’t be playing in place of Brendon as we’re not allowing anyone else to do that. If someone can’t make it they just miss out and the club keeps the money. If someone doesn’t pay, they don’t play.
Simple. Erm, I still have to pay myself …. will do that next week though, or on Sunday.
I think signing up Andre is a great idea, he just shouldn’t be able to go taking Brendons place coz “they” decided it was a good idea. It’s not their decision to make.
kyle
Posted: Apr 5 2006, 06:10 PMQUOTE (Ryan @ Apr 5 2006, 03:37 PM)
Thought I’d post in here about Andre.He shouldn’t be playing in place of Brendon as we’re not allowing anyone else to do that. If someone can’t make it they just miss out and the club keeps the money. If someone doesn’t pay, they don’t play.
Simple. Erm, I still have to pay myself …. will do that next week though, or on Sunday.
I think signing up Andre is a great idea, he just shouldn’t be able to go taking Brendons place coz “they” decided it was a good idea. It’s not their decision to make.
Well it wasn’t my intention to have Brendon play but not pay either – I wasn’t aware until Monday when I went through the receipt book that he hadn’t paid. The same goes for Andre. I tried to catch him after the game, but someone stole my pants so I got distracted and then he’d gone. I presume he’s under the impression that Brendon has paid, but to my understanding, that’s not the case.
I’m not here next week, but I’m quite happy for anyone to say to Andre, you need to pay money if you’re going to play. I don’t mind either way – pay and play, or don’t pay and don’t play. I have no contact details for him though, so I can’t do much at this stage.
The only other person who hasn’t paid is Damien, which is more a problem of not paying, and not playing really. If he’s there next week, someone needs to talk to him about money, but I have no contact details for him at all, so I don’t know what the story is. Ian Keiller I believe has a phone number for him.
Bulls had, I believe, two more people throw money at Joyce last night and jump on and play – one I was aware of, and on the basis of Graham’s email saying that they wanted another player, suggested he should play for that team. I have no idea where the other one came from.
I had John Bradfield approach me last night about another old boys who he thinks might want to sign up for JM. The guy sounds quite good, so I suggested that might be making it too unbalanced.
I’m going to try and not be too worried about team balance, but I’m a bit concerned that the teams are being thrown out of kilter by post-meeting movements. John McGlashan, Bullfrogs, Bulls, SK8, Sharks and Beasts are all differently ‘balanced’ than our careful setting up of the teams in the pub the other week. I don’t think this is a major problem with our current DIHL, but it’s a _bit_ concerning. There has been a fair bit of running around and ‘organising’ people to sign up by a couple of people – Paul Roth being the worst example, and while I don’t take the DIHL too seriously, some take it more seriously, and I know that as the next year or so goes on, it’s going to be a lot more serious a competition. At some stage we’re going to stop talking about the dihl as a social league, it’s going to be the ice hockey league.
There are things that we are going to have to tighten up on – what happens if a player not on a team plays, what happens if a team’s goalie doesn’t show up and they need to use another team’s goalie? In most versions of the rules this is an instant loss of game. If we split the pools, do we take it this seriously in the A pool, but not in the B? Do we still control teams and work to achieve balance, or do we let people form their own? What about in the A pool giving each person a ranking, and letting managers construct their own teams based on a 1 – 2 – 3 points system – ‘your team can have up to 25 points, goalies are worth twice as much’ etc.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 5 2006, 08:47 PMYeah, these are all distinct problems.
I think we should try and list them all so that when we get round to it we can set out a set of hardened rules for everyone to follow. At the moment it seems to be working fine because noone takes it seriously enough to care, but you’re definitely correct, as time goes on it’ll become more serious and people will start to get angry when things don’t go as they expect. A bunch of anal rules tends to dampen that. I know the ChCh league has lots of problems with this but they have managed to keep things under control farely well by ensuring that the rules are as tight as possible so they leave as little leeway as possible for people to find loopholes/cheat which tends to infuriate others. Personally I couldn’t care less if people snatch players to stack their team up, unintentionally or not, but I’m sure someone at some stage will start having a little hissy fit about it.
The ChCh inline league had similar problems but they weren’t organised enough/get on well enough to sort the crap out before it got out of hand. The squabbles they had were ridiculous, I’d like to nip this kind of crap in the bud before it gets a chance to start.
I’ll email the ChCh SNC and see if I can get a copy of their rules and regulations for us to use as a guide. They also have some interesting ways of sorting the teams out which seems to work quite nicely too. Although their system does require the teams to be more consistent from season to season than we have at the moment.
Ryan,
Ryan
Posted: Apr 5 2006, 08:58 PMHere’s the constitution for the Christchurch SNC. There’s a lot of reading in there!
http://www.sncicehockey.com/Constitution.pdf
Ryan
Posted: Apr 5 2006, 09:07 PMPerhaps we could make something similar but smaller for the DIHL?
Then we could run it by the club for suggestions and then use that for next season?The ChCh SNC is an incorporated body so I’m guessing that has something to do with them having such a serious document as a constitution/set of rules.
We don’t really need a constitution as the club already has one. What we need are a serious set of rules which we seem to be lacking at the moment.
kyle
Posted: Apr 5 2006, 11:29 PMQUOTE (Ryan @ Apr 5 2006, 09:07 PM)
We don’t really need a constitution as the club already has one. What we need are a serious set of rules which we seem to be lacking at the moment.After making my last post and walking back to the car I was thinking about these same things – we need to come up with rules, as currently it’s all running ‘rough and loose’ but we’re going to run into problems at some stage, so it might make sense to at least try and sort things out early and put in place a structure for when problems happen, to deal or prevent them.
Some things off the top of my head:
Disciplinary procedure. The only model I know of is the NZIHA one, which basically deals with on-ice (or off-ice) incidents which are more serious than minor or major penalties.
Refund procedure. Under which instances would we refund money to a player? Serious injury? Family issues?
Late entry.
Equipment.
Team makeup, both formally, and informally on the night of games. Bringing in players from other teams, or from outside.
Grading?There is some good stuff in that SNC competition – if a player becomes a free agent, they are put on the ‘casual list’, and the lowest placed team has the option of picking them up. Do they really do all that work to grade players though? What a nightmare.
And yes, I agree, we don’t need to incorporate, DIHA have taken care of that, we just need to make up some rules, and then run them by the committee.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 6 2006, 11:00 AMYep, they do go through all that grading crap.
I don’t think it’s necessary and it seemed to frustrate a lot of the players up there.
I think just telling people to turn up at whatever session happens to be on at the time such as sunday night beginners/social session or whatever and make sure someone is there to grade them would be fine. Much less hassle and probably more effective as I think you tell more from a game than from getting people to do a bunch of drills. There was always some people who were pissed about the grade they were put in, but the players who were close to the grade above were able to play up a grade if they could find a team which was willing to take them. Usually if they were close enough to the level/popular enough they could find a team, otherwise they probably shouldn’t have been in that grade anyway. It all seemed to work fine in the end and there teams were farely balanced – ish when I was up there. The trick to getting it to work well seems to be to ensure that there aren’t too many player movements between seasons. Big player movements throw the balance out of wack.
kyle
Posted: Apr 6 2006, 01:31 PMI think the grading system we have at present, which is a bit rough, is OK. I think we probably should grade players, and I don’t have a problem with telling players what their grade is – in fact, they, and managers would need to know to form teams. During the season you could highlight people that you think are mis-graded, and there could be an adjustment twice a year.
But I’d feel real stupid standing there at the ice rink telling players to shoot at cones and skate around in a circle, particularly when they’ve been ice blacks or something.
You would have to have some vague definitions as to what might make a player from outside to be a certain grade, but I think largely it’s going to be comparative. Simon is better than Shane who is better than Kyle. If it’s comparative then it’s not necessarily a level that people have to reach, it’s more, we want XX number of top graded players – lets say 12 in the top grade. If that dropped to 8, you might grade up the best four players in the grade below, so you were back to 12. The only problem would be if you had 12, got up to 16, and had to drop some, when the players hadn’t gotten worse, but I guess you could just keep a floating lid on the top grade – if it gets better through imports or people getting better, well that’s good, and the top grade just gets bigger.
I was originally thinking of just getting people to total up their teams, with players graded 1, 2, or 3 (while we’ve used a four point grading system this time, if the DIHL is split then the A pool range is going to be from (say) Kyle level, to ice black level, so three grades is going to be a reasonable range to cover that).
I could see though, a small team made up entirely of good players. So we might have to set some minimum/maximums. No more than two 3s (if 3 is the top grade, which makes mathematical sense) in a team. Team must have at least 11 players, etc. Goalies are worth twice as much (so goalies are effectively a 2, 4, or 6.
We would have to have some way of grading new players – while we know most people who are here now, we got caught out grading Matthew Reay a 2 in this DIHL, because I didn’t link the name on the form to Matt who’d been causing all sorts of problems for Mike Sam on Sunday nights. The Sunday night game or perhaps a ‘preliminary grade’ for a player which they hold for a couple of weeks of the competition could cover that.
I’m not sure we’re yet at the stage where people are starting to see the dihl as something where they might stay with the same team for several years. I guess that’s something we’re going to have to try and develop, and one of the ways we should think about doing that is to make the dihl next year run all season – about 20 weeks or so. I don’t know about Chch ice hockey, but I know in Chch inline, they had the advantage of several clubs contributing teams, so you played for your club, rather than just a jersey which was thrown at you, which is what we’re currently doing.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 6 2006, 02:12 PMThe ChCh SNC is a mixture between what we’re doing and what the ChCh inline club did. Basically they have clubs which field their own teams and supply uniforms but the clubs aren’t allowed to willly nilly choose their players. It works sort of like John McGlashan and Kings where they chose their team but only on agreement of the league and they’re not allowed too many good players.
It would be nice if someone formed their own club and started fielding players but I’m not holding my breath on that one.
I’ve sent an email to Joyce about rules, and asked if there are already any procedures in place for some of this stuff (ie: disciplinary things). I said that assuming they don’t mind we’d write up some sort of rule book and pass it on to the club for their comments/suggestions/corrections. I’m happy to do this job, might not get done till Easter weekend though.
I also suggested that I write it up in a way that it could be used for other competitions like the SK8 Cup so that it could be used as a general DIHA competition rule book which I’m fairly certain they don’t have at the moment.
If you can think of anything at all that should be in a set of rules then post away. The more info. and opinions the better.
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kyle
Posted: Mar 15 2006, 01:48 PMRyan,
I’ve updated the web site in two places, you might want to download the files if you store the site locally.
They’re the main page, and the dihl page – just to say that we’re still accepting registrations.
With the effective collapse of the SIHL as a real competition, your SIHL pages will need some work too.
Cheers,
KylePS: There are a heap of women in the dihl. There’s almost enough good players to form a team.
Ryan
Posted: Mar 15 2006, 02:11 PMYeah I was wondering what the deal was with the SIHL but I hadn’t been told anything about what was going on with it other than rumour so left it as is.
I thought you’d rounded up enough people for the league so changed the site accordingly, sorry about that mix up.
I’m not sure forming an entirely female team would be appropriate without asking the players involved first as many of the female players I know consider the concept of an all female team completely abhorrent – although none of those players have actually signed up for the DIHL.
Ryan
Posted: Mar 15 2006, 02:13 PMI have two registrations to hand in tonight from work mates of mine. I may not get the money before the meeting tonight but they’re both good for the cash so hopefully that wont be a problem.
Ryan,
Ryan
Posted: Mar 15 2006, 02:17 PMArgh, seems that the link to the DIHL rego form was dead sad.gif Am fixing that problem now. Hopefully this hasn’t stopped anyone from signing up.
kyle
Posted: Mar 15 2006, 04:47 PMQUOTE (Ryan @ Mar 15 2006, 02:11 PM)
I’m not sure forming an entirely female team would be appropriate without asking the players involved first as many of the female players I know consider the concept of an all female team completely abhorrent – although none of those players have actually signed up for the DIHL.Oh yeah, I didn’t mean we should form one tonight. Just, there’s enough women players here, if they wanted to form a team in the future, they could. We could give it to them as an option next time or something.
I remember that the Aces womens team were really into there being a womens team, I understand that others aren’t.
Signed up Abby Green, ex or current Ice Fernz who has moved down here from Chch to work at the hospital today. That’s four members of the NZ women’s squad now.
Ryan
Posted: Mar 15 2006, 04:57 PMCool, another nz rep smile.gif
Ryan
Posted: Mar 16 2006, 06:46 PMI have any extra player to be added to a team:
Jonathan Kitchen, age 24
He’s definitely a beginner.
He’s requested to be on my team but I told him I wasn’t sure if that would be possible or not as we already have quite a few beginners. Either on my team or not is fine by me.Ryan,
Ryan
Posted: Mar 16 2006, 06:48 PMI have a question:
If a player only needs to borrow a helmet, do they still need to pay the $10? Helmets have typically been supplied for free in the past so I wasn’t too sure. A few of the players on my team have all the gear except the helmet.
Ryan,
Ryan
Posted: Mar 17 2006, 10:11 AMQUOTE (Ryan @ Mar 16 2006, 06:46 PM)
I have any extra player to be added to a team:Jonathan Kitchen, age 24
Can that. He doesn’t want to play now angry.gif
kyle
Posted: Mar 17 2006, 12:07 PMQUOTE (Ryan @ Mar 16 2006, 06:48 PM)
If a player only needs to borrow a helmet, do they still need to pay the $10? Helmets have typically been supplied for free in the past so I wasn’t too sure. A few of the players on my team have all the gear except the helmet.Yes they do need to pay $10 for the helmet.
I didn’t debate at all the prices that the club set on gear hire, but I think while the prices aren’t cheap for one piece of gear (ie a helmet), they’re really good if you’re hiring two or three bits – $10 for 9 uses of a helmet, skates, and sticks is great – well below the amount you’d degrade the gear by using them.
And helmet is protective gear, but you can’t play without skates or a stick either, so they’re all essential, and we won’t let anyone on the ice without all three of them.
If it was me I would have charged by the piece, I think that would encourage people to buy some of the gear.
We also might run into issues with goalie gear – they’ve had some ‘go missing’ over the summer, so there’s basically only two full adult sets there. We might be having to drag gear off goalies as they come off and do quick changes, but we’ll see.
kyle
Posted: Mar 17 2006, 12:10 PMQUOTE (Ryan @ Mar 17 2006, 10:11 AM)
QUOTE (Ryan @ Mar 16 2006, 06:46 PM)
I have any extra player to be added to a team:Jonathan Kitchen, age 24
Can that. He doesn’t want to play now angry.gif
Yup, I’ve scratched him off the list.
That brings bulls back down to 11 (I got one more today over email from Joyce).
If we get new players, if they’re a good one (ie, 1 or 2) I’d like to add another player to kings, as currently they’re going to get creamed. I think in the interests of having these high school teams come back, we want them not to lose every match, and kings is weak. If they’re a beginner, we’ll add them to bullfrogs. Anyone in the middle, we’ll add to the other teams, except john mcglashan which is full.
Ryan
Posted: Mar 17 2006, 01:49 PMI “may” have one more players. Ryan McMillan from Milton.
The thing is I have Sandra Maca on my team and she is also from Milton so it will probably work much better if they’re both on the same team. But Ryan is beginnerish so I’m not sure she’d be best on the Ducks.
I’ll post more info. when I hear it. Ryan is still debating whether she’ll play or not.
Ryan
Posted: Mar 17 2006, 09:17 PMThere was a minor error with the emails that went out about the teams, schedule etc.
Ryan Wick was informed that he was on the Ducks when infact he is on the SK8 team.I told him he was on the SK8 team and that his manager would be contacting him directly anyway.
kyle
Posted: Mar 18 2006, 12:31 PMHis email got bounced, so I must have resent the wrong team info when I resent it to a corrected email address.
Ryan
Posted: Mar 20 2006, 11:34 AMThe following is an email from Kyle.
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Hi,Late registrations from last night:
Garett from Sunday night also signed up, I’d like to put him in Kings.
Kings already has 13 players, but they’re definitely the weakest team,
and Garret along with Damien Watson would at least give them a couple
of stars.Sarah and Heather Hutton (sharks) we’ve pulled out. They thought they
were signing up for the beginners session, and don’t want to play the
DIHL. Joyce was happy with that, and their money will go to beginners.In their place I’d like to put Walter Johannes, a friend of Megan
Gilchrist’s who’s already in the team. And Chris O’Neill, who’s played
a year or so of beginner hockey in the UK, and Cory MacDonall, who
plays the senior session on Sundays.Overall, it’ll make Sharks a bit stronger.
Lastly, Shane promised to sign up and play, I’ve added him to Bullfrogs
as he and Sam and Hargen want to play together.Both those teams now have 11+ Goalie, any late additions will go in
Beasts, Bulls, Ducks, SK8, who have 10 + goalie.Also, Larry Wheeler agreed to manage the SK8 team, though he’s also
managing his 11 year old son and beginner nephew through the
competition, so it’d be good if people can help him out with getting
his team together on Tuesday.Assuming everyone is happy with the above, I’ll send out new lists
tonight to everyone.Cheers,
KyleThis is a transcript from the previous forum. Due to technical reasons we weren’t able to directly transfer the posts to this new forum.
kyle
Posted: Feb 20 2006, 09:56 AMI can’t be there for any length of time on the day, but I’ll drop off a bunch of advertising and dihl forms to make sure that we’re represented.
I’m more concerned about the Bowler, next Tuesday 28th. Since we’ve set that date, and advertised it, can anyone make it?
Jack, forgot to give you piles of posters last night. Can I drop these off or something?
Kyle
Ryan
Posted: Feb 24 2006, 02:11 PMHmm, I hope someone can make it that day or it’ll be a disaster. I definitely can’t as I’ll be in Ashburton then.
kyle
Posted: Feb 25 2006, 09:47 PMWow.
I’m 30, lived in the south island for 13 years now, and you’re the first person I’ve known that’s actually gone to Ashburton, rather than just driven through it.
Yup, I feel sorry for you.
Ryan
Posted: Feb 26 2006, 08:58 PMYeah, sucks to be me but I have a woman to go visit and she’s going to be in Ashburton for those 5 days sad.gif
I wont be back till probably 10-13th March so if anything needs updated on the website then Kyle feel free to do the updating. The password is the same as the email account.
See you guys in a few weeks.
kyle
Posted: Feb 28 2006, 12:43 AMJohn McGlashan are putting a school team together – the guy phoned me tonight.
I wonder if OBHS are putting their team in again. we might end up with half the teams high school teams!
kyle
Posted: Feb 28 2006, 10:05 AMQUOTE (Ryan @ Feb 26 2006, 08:58 PM)
Yeah, sucks to be me but I have a woman to go visit and she’s going to be in Ashburton for those 5 days sad.gifI feel like there’s a serious piece of gossip that I’m missing out on here.
kyle
Posted: Mar 7 2006, 03:49 PMBased on registrations that I know are coming – one sent in the mail to me today, john mcglashan should be bringing in another 10 tonight or tomorrow, kings have two or three more that they’re bringing in, we’re at about 70.
70 is good for 6 teams. For six teams we could probably go up to 78 – 13 a team.
We’re however going for 8 teams, for which our target is 96. It would be hard to switch back to six teams now, because we’ve taken extra money off people – it would be easier to have the first two games practise games and keep it at 9 nights.
I suspect with another registration on Sunday, we might get another 12 or so. That would put us up to 82 or so – good for 7 teams, but definitely not enough for eight, and too many for six. We need to make our budget by getting 10 + goalie. That’s 88 people. Obviously the more we get over 88, the better – over 10 + goalie we start to make profit.
I guess my request is that we’re going to need to get at least another 20 people to sign up. That’s hard work, but I was thinking we could hit some people up who haven’t signed up yet – Garrett, Duncan, Richard, Stefan, Stu, Megan, Teneke… plus hit the beginners again and see if we can’t drag a few more out of them.
The other option is to email everyone who has signed up at the end of Sunday, and say ‘we need another X people, if you know people, get them to sign up’.
As long as we get close to the 88 mark, I think we’ll get some late signups after Sunday. But if we finish in the mid-70s, we’re in trouble in terms of finances, and will have to look at cutting it back.
Ryan
Posted: Mar 12 2006, 07:27 PMHmm, interesting to see there aren’t enough players yet. Could you send me a list of all those who have signed up – assuming you have a handy list that is – so that I can see who I should try and rope in to it.
Ryan,
kyle
Posted: Mar 13 2006, 12:11 AMHi,
An update after tonight. I’ve got 84 people signed up – almost all paid. I know of a couple more that promised to sign up over the next few days – Shane, Jack has another woman. That would put us close to our minimum, but it’s still tight – a couple of the teams (Kings, John McGlashan) are big – 13 people, so we really need 92 to get the other teams to 10 + goalie.
That’s all good. But a couple of hours ago I got a phone call from a Bayfield student who played in the DIHL last year, saying he was part of the Bayfield team that was entering, and did he need to fill in a form or would the school take care of that.
Needless to say, knowing nothing of the Bayfield team, this was interesting, but it’s backed up by the goalie I spoke to tonight – Daniel Kinraid, who is in goal in beginners session, who I hit up tonight to play in the DIHL, and who said he was already signed up.
Except, Daniel Kinraid isn’t signed up. But guess what high school he goes to – Bayfield!
Apparently the teacher that is organising this is Chris Pringle. I’ve sent him and email and asked him to phone me urgently. I’ll follow up with a phone call tomorrow.
So assuming 2 – 3 more over the next few days – I suspect it’ll be more like 5 or 6, then that’s 86 – 87. Add in a Bayfield team – that’s 100.
If that’s the case, we’re very close at having to shut it down. 8 * 13 is 104.
At this stage, keep getting people to register, and send them to me as soon as you get them. I’ll update on Bayfield when I know, and we’ll look at shutting it down on Wednesday. Meet 5:30 at Harleys, Wednesday 15th March, to put the teams together. I’ll keep a close tally on the numbers so that we don’t blow over the top.
I’ll email you a list to date tomorrow Ryan, but we’ve largely got almost all the people we could hope for.
kyleOh, and I spoke to Phil Handcock tonight, he’s on top of the referees. Blake is going to do as much as possible, Phil will do a bit, there’s a woman who I didn’t know who’ll do some, and another person who can help out. Sounds under control.
You’ll be glad to know Ryan, almost everyone has provided us with an email address. Even more likely however is a mobile phone. 84 people, 78 have cell phone numbers (73 have emails). Apparently it’s against the law to play ice hockey and not have a mobile.
8 Players who have represented their country – 3 women, 3 age grade, 2 ice blacks.
7 goalies (we need one more goalie, Rebecca seems like she’s a ‘no’ as she’s not available in May). We’ve got Kings (Devin Williams) JM (Tony Pasco) Bayfield? (Daniel Kinraid), Antony Blacket, Aaron Bryant, Toby Schuch, Nick Metzger.
Managers: Kings (Ian Keiler), JM (John Bradfield), Bayfield? (Chris Pringle), Kyle, Jack Graham, Aaron. Need one more. Ryan I don’t know if you want to be an off-rink manager for a team. Failing that Larry Wheeler might agree, Rob Waddell, though he said he’d sign up, and hasn’t filled in the form yet. Kim Senger might also do it, though he’s busy trying to organise a floorball club at the university – using the Caledonian.
It’s been a long week. How was Ashburton?
Ryan
Posted: Mar 13 2006, 03:06 PMHoly crap you guys have been busy haven’t you. Good to see you’ve got lots of players. That’s a little weird about the Bayfield team but good none the less. You can probably ignore my email I sent to you (Kyle) before about players as it looks like you’ve got enough by the looks of that.
Hopefully if my arm is healed I can slot into a team mid season? It may not be healed enough though so may not be an issue.
Ashburton sucks ass, don’t go there. I was only there for five days before heading up to Hanmer, then over to the west coast and on to Queenstown, Te Anau and eventually Milford, although we didn’t bother going to Milford in the end as it was dumping down with rain. We had two accidents during the trip, none of which were my fault. THere is now a rather badly damaged road sign between Mossburn and Kingston! We did a nice little experiment on a $99 tent from SMiths city and discovered that it did not withstand a torrential downpour on the west coast! Luckilly all the water stayed in one corner of the tent so it wasn’t a major disaster or anything.
As far as organising teams go, if someone else is willing to do it then go ahead, otherwise I can make sure they’re organised on the night as I’ll be there anyway – standing round and not able to play sad.gif
Ryan,
Ryan
Posted: Mar 13 2006, 03:14 PMI’ve just been reading the list of players and there are some interesting people in there I didn’t expect to see playing in the DIHL again. Cy, Juanita, Larry Wheeler, Tony Pascoe etc. It’s good to see them coming out of the woodwork smile.gif
kyle
Posted: Mar 13 2006, 06:09 PMYeah, I’m really happy with the list – just about everyone who plays ice is playing, which means we’re doing a good job and people want to play. Larry’s son is playing – he’s pretty small, and young, but I saw him play during beginners and he’ll be fine as long as no one runs into him!
I’m taking it as a good sign that we’re on our way, and maybe in a year or so, this can develop into a proper domestic competition, which runs all season, has A and B pools, etc. I think given the effective demise of the SIHL, this, or some other competition should provide a replacement for that.
Lucky we didn’t go to 10 teams, I think there aren’t enough ice players in Dunedin for that.
Keep the registrations coming. I’m trying to get Cam Schallenberg to sign up. Rollin’ rollin’.
kyle
Posted: Mar 14 2006, 10:02 AMFurther stats – teams from 2005 and the number of players that are returning:
Stars 11
Bullfrogs 7
Beasts 3
SK8 6
Bears 7
OBHS 135 people are returnees, which makes 48 players new to the DIHL. I would have thought we would have got more returnees and less new people.
Clearly there’s a lot more people out there who played last time who aren’t playing this time. I wonder if that’s going to be a constant – we’re a bit of a revolving door for people who want to try it out – or if we haven’t done enough to encourage people who did it before to return – they were all sent two emails if we had an email address, or if we didn’t, they were sent a form in the post.
I don’t have time to ring around people who haven’t signed up but did do so last year, but if anyone has the time, I can supply the list.
Ryan
Posted: Mar 14 2006, 12:37 PMHmm, interesting.
Many of the players on the Beasts have left the country which accounts for many of them. I think the lack of OBHS players is a good sign that recruiting actual school teams is more effective than relying on them signing up as individuals. That would account for quite a few but there’s still quite a few missing which I’m surprised about.
Ryan,
This is a transcript from the previous forum. Due to technical reasons we weren’t able to directly transfer the posts to this new forum.
kyle
Posted: Apr 5 2006, 02:22 PMQUOTE (kyle @ Apr 4 2006, 01:11 AM)
Kyle’s predictions for week 3:Bullfrogs vs Kings: Final score 6-4 to Bullfrogs.
Bulls vs Ducks: Ducks 4 – 2.
SK8 vs Sharks: Final score 3-2..
John McGlashan vs Beasts: Final score 4-4.
Bullfrogs vs Kings: 8 – 1 to Bullfrogs. Kings again went down hard with no Damien Watson showing up. Garett picked up a good goal wrapping around the post, but spent most of the game just sending the puck back up the rink from defense. Bullfrogs share the goals around, with Ryan Johnstone picking up a couple while occupying the rink, to the wrath of his team. Rhys Leask has a good night between the uprights, only letting in the one. Kyle Matthews takes a few shots, but they’re either wide, or getting blocked by defenders – no first goal of the competition. Late replacement Andre Van Leeuwen for Brendon Dey, who’s retired to karate commitments, sure to cause some controversy.
Bulls vs Ducks: 2 – 5 to the Ducks. Bulls were ahead briefly in the game, but once the Matt and Matt machine got rolling, Ducks came over the top of the Bulls. Matt Aitken picks up his third straight hat trick, leading all scorers in the competition. Bulls worked hard, and got a couple of good goals past goaltender Toby Schuck, but unable to compete for a third straight loss.
SK8 vs Sharks: 3-2 to SK8. SK8 picks up a first win, with two late entries into the team – ex-referee Sean, and Dougie Squire, picking up goals, along with Nicholas Finch. Sharks will be a bit gutted about this close loss, when a win would have seen them holding onto top of the table. Simon Christos and Megan Gilchrist pick up the nets for the Sharks, with Zanzee Pielak-Jones notching up an assist. Daniel Kinraid does well to keep his team in with some good saves.
John McGlashan vs Beasts: 6-4 to John McGlashan. John McGlashan starting to look dangerous with their second straight win. The game was all tied up halfway through, but a five minute streak when Beasts defenders and goalie Nick Metzger couldn’t seem to find the puck, saw four goals let in. A couple of late Beasts goals weren’t enough, and Beasts will be gutted that they let this get away from them when it was so close. John McGlashan share goals around five players, with Pete Mannerswood getting a double, and Cy Newton, Kurt Bowen, and Stefan King scoring for the Beasts. Good work from Tony Pasco in the John McGlashan net, with Beasts players seemingly unable to get the puck up off the ice and over those big pads.
Off ice: Entire Bullfrogs team walks away from goal judging duties, the shame, the shame. Competition really heating up overall, with Ducks topping the table on goal differential from Bullfrogs, and then Sharks and Beasts dead heated for the bronze from John McGlashan, on goal difference. Players still signing up to play, in the third week! Did you not notice all the advertising around saying ‘hey, play in the DIHL’ people?
Ryan
Posted: Apr 5 2006, 03:30 PMI wasn’t aware of the goalie names problem, will fix that soon-ish.
Yeah, the Bullfrogs numbers were crossed out and replaced with the ones you guys were wearing. I wonder where the uniforms went?
SK8 had a bunch that were wrong and only occasional numbers were corrected.
The original stats lists are at home and I can’t fax from there sorry.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 5 2006, 03:33 PMQUOTE (kyle @ Apr 5 2006, 02:22 PM)
QUOTE (kyle @ Apr 4 2006, 01:11 AM)
Off ice: Entire Bullfrogs team walks away from goal judging duties, the shame, the shame.The Ducks did the same. I think we had one goal covered but that was it. Infact a bunch of my players texted me saying they didn’t think they could do it as they didn’t have the appropriate qualifications !?!?!?!?
Apparently they don’t have opposable thumbs.
kyle
Posted: Apr 7 2006, 05:13 PMKyle’s picks for week 4 (a little early as I’m off to North America on Sunday for 3 weeks – back to play week 5)
Kings vs John McGlashan (3 – 6): John McGlashan picking up steam over the past couple of weeks, and won’t be denied the chance to walk all over fellow high school team Kings. Weir, Mannerswood, and Cleugh to split the JM goals, Garett and Damien to get one each for Kings, with manager Ian Keiller to pick up a well-celebrated goal for his team.
Bullfrogs vs Beasts (4 – 3): Going to be a tight game this one, with both teams going reasonably well. Nick Metzger has been looking good in goal so far, until 5 minutes vs John McGlashan when four goals hit the back of the net made a real mess of his stats. Getting back to form will be key for him and his team. Dave Bulling, Shane McDonald, and Sam Smith to score for Bullfrogs, Kurt Bowen with the laser wrist shot, and Jack Li to net for Beasts.
Bulls vs SK8 (5-3): A big struggle this will be, but SK8 will pull away with a couple of late goals. Key for Bulls to prevent this happening – some terrific saves in net from Antony Blackett, who flailed around a bit last week at crucial moments. Dougie Squire, and Liam and Jesse Roth to all get on the scoresheet for SK8, Graham and Rane Phipps-Black for the Bulls. Predict there will be a bit of agro in the match, but it won’t boil over.
Sharks vs Ducks (2 – 4): Sharks goalie and manager will have to have a blinder to save this game for his team, with Ducks goal-scoring machines Matt Aitken and Matthew Reay on fine form so far this season. Simon Christos to step up a bit when playing again ex-Ice Blacks goalie Toby Schuck, with two goals. The two Matts, and Ryan Hellyer to get goals for Ducks.
Off ice: No one to bring easter eggs for the women on the score bench. Bullfrogs in the capable hands of Pete Sandford in Kyle Matthews’ absence stateside.
Remember, two weeks off for Easter!
Ryan
Posted: Apr 12 2006, 12:29 PMThe stats on the web have now been updated with all scoring issues sorted out, I think. I still have to confirm with the scorers how they’re working this stuff out as I think there’s an error somewhere. But at this stage assume that things are fine – hopefully they will be. The goalie stats for rounds one and two have now changed, not by much, but a little.
Matt Aitken is now miles ahead of everyone else on goals and assists.
matt a
Posted: Apr 12 2006, 07:39 PMmatt aitken……. what a complete faggot.
kyle
Posted: Apr 13 2006, 05:51 PMQUOTE (Ryan @ Apr 12 2006, 12:29 PM)
The stats on the web have now been updated with all scoring issues sorted out, I think. I still have to confirm with the scorers how they’re working this stuff out as I think there’s an error somewhere. But at this stage assume that things are fine – hopefully they will be. The goalie stats for rounds one and two have now changed, not by much, but a little.Hi Ryan,
I can still see some issues with the stats pages:
The individual page stats, aren’t correctly repeating the scores on page 1, in the top box that puts the history of the games. Like for round four, you’ve got the JM/Kings score in the Bullfrogs, and the Bulls score isn’t correct either. It just looks to me like a round 4 problem.
Also at the bottom of the pages ‘points after round four’, those are out. Someone else seems to have stolen our points!
Good work on the stats though. I know you’ll get them right by the end of the season.
Yay Bullfrogs!
Ryan
Posted: Apr 13 2006, 06:02 PMOh baloney.
That’s what happens when you work out the stats at midnight.Not sure what the problem is, will fix that out at some stage. Am busy upgrading everything at the moment for when the new site is up and running.
John Bradfield
Posted: Apr 18 2006, 10:59 AMsmile.gif HI
We would be keen to keep putting in a team. It is a good way for our oldboys to keep playing. McGlahan will enter the next session. A gap would be good for us as we have the school competition.
Two divisions could work well. It helps in the school competition. We have a large range of ability there also.
A top division could be made up of 4 teams say
Uni
School/Oldboys
Tradesmen
Seniors/Anyone else
Keep it up guys it is all goodJohn Bradfield
John McGlashan
Ryan
Posted: Apr 18 2006, 04:12 PMThat sounds great. It looks like the DIHA will be keen to enter some of their rep. teams as well such as the midgets. I might also try and get a team of my own organised as well depending on how much free time I’ve got.
Depending on what Kyle has in mind there will be a significant gap between the end of this DIHL and the start of the next season. The schools league should fit in the middle I think, or atleast with only a week or so’s overlap. AFAIK the contact league will also be fitting in the middle.
Where do you think the John McGlashan team would fit in? A-grade or B-grade?
You would probably have to prune off your top players to play in the B-grade though.Ryan,
kyle
Posted: Apr 20 2006, 04:49 AMKyle’s picks for week 5, after the break:
John McGlashan vs Bullfrogs (4 – 3 to the ‘frogs): Both these teams look like they’re on a good roll, and this could be one of those clashes that decides where they finish in the ‘top four’, with the Bullfrogs currently slightly ahead on points. Kyle Matthews returns to the Bullfrogs with a bunch of new hockey gear, to be bought in the next few days from Toronto, that must guarantee a goal. Ryan Johnstone, Sam Smith, and David Bulling to also score for the ‘frogs. Cleugh, Weir and Mannerswood to all net for JM.
Ducks vs SK8 (4 – 2 to the ducks): Ducks haven’t really looked like losing a game this year while a goalie has been between the posts, and this won’t change with the Matt and Matt scoring machines continuing to make goalie’s evenings hard work. SK8 are a better team with a bunch of people added to their roster a quarter of the way through the season, so will get close before a late Ducks 4th puts it beyond doubt.
Beasts vs Kings (4 – 2 to Beasts): The Kings team just hasn’t had the muscle this DIHL, with NZ and stampede rep Damien Watson an unknown show each week. It’s been hard on the rest of the team, most of whom only took up hockey last season, to keep in touch. Beasts continue to look a pretty good outfit, and as long as Nick Metzger keeps the good form he’s had for almost all the season, they should take the game easily. Bowen, Matt Newton, and Stefan King to score for the Beasts. Replacement goalie Becky Brassett to step in nicely for the normal Kings goalie, who is absent, and keep things close.
Sharks vs Bulls (4 – 3 to Bulls): This is going to be a mighty close game, and I was tempted to call it a draw, but I think Bulls will upset the Sharks and push ahead on the table. Graham Phipps-Black to get the crucial goal, as he did in the DIHL final last year to tie it up vs the Bullfrogs. Aaron Bryant to have a mixed game between the posts, and Zanzee and Simon Christos to score for the Sharks.
Off Ice: Chaos reigns. It’s been a holiday after all.
kyle
Posted: Apr 20 2006, 05:01 AM
Report PostQUOTE (Ryan @ Apr 18 2006, 04:12 PM)
That sounds great. It looks like the DIHA will be keen to enter some of their rep. teams as well such as the midgets. I might also try and get a team of my own organised as well depending on how much free time I’ve got.Depending on what Kyle has in mind there will be a significant gap between the end of this DIHL and the start of the next season. The schools league should fit in the middle I think, or atleast with only a week or so’s overlap. AFAIK the contact league will also be fitting in the middle.
Where do you think the John McGlashan team would fit in? A-grade or B-grade?
You would probably have to prune off your top players to play in the B-grade though.Ryan,
In terms of the next DIHL, without having consulted anyone about it in depth, I was thinking in late August, early Sept, which should be after the high schools competition finishes. We would want these details sorted out in the next 4 weeks or so however, so we can sign people up before they leave this current DIHL, for the next one.
What I’ve been thinking about, is moving towards a system where we rank players – say 1 – 10 (1 being, NZ rep, 10 being absolute beginner). While people could form their own teams, we might say the A pool could only have 1- 6 ranked players, and the B pool could only have 5 – 10 ranked players. A small amount of crossover between the two, but not much. People would retain their rankings, but there would be a simple system by which they would go up and down. We’d like to keep it simple, and just make broad judgements about players, rather than spending all our time arguing about whether John Bradfield is a 5 or a 6! It largely worked for the DIHL this time around, and obviously knowing players helps.
Obviously we’re interested in people entering whole teams from institutions – schools, a varsity team etc. I have some concerns about people going off and forming their own teams with their friends, as one of the things that is good about the DIHL is that it is open and people who don’t know anyone sign up and end in a team with other people, and it builds. I wouldn’t want all the ‘outsiders’ to all end up in one team. There are however arguments for allowing people to form their own teams as well, one of which is that it saves us a lot of work. And pre-formed teams such as the midgets, or a Southern NC team, could enter as part of their work towards nationals, building their team for Southern League competition etc.
We would also hope that people would hold their teams together largely between seasons. Our end goal is to really build the dihl into the premiere competition for beginners and better players, as travelling throughout the region seems crazy when we have enough players to play our own competition here.
Ryan is right though, you would need to look at your team, some would be too good for the B pool, and some not good enough for the A pool. You might have other options that you could bring in however.
Goalies is going to be an interesting issue. We probably have enough A pool goalies, but we’re going to need more B pool I suspect, and it might be that we find A pool players who wouldn’t mind playing goalie for a team, give them a bit of training, and throw them in for free. Who knows.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 20 2006, 01:47 PMI reckon goalies will be way easier to arrange if there are seperate pools.
Sam Smith and Matt Newton are usually quite happy to jump in goal for example.Heck, even I might consider it as long as it’s only in a B-grade tongue.gif
Plus, I have a feeling some more of the beginners may be keen to play in goal if they don’t have to worry about facing slapshots from NZ rep. level players.
kyle
Posted: Apr 25 2006, 03:29 AMYes, I suspect we could find a bunch of B pool goalies, from A pool out players, who would do it no problem. I’m not sure for how long we should continue with letting goalies play for free – we might need to rethink that, but perhaps we could have a rule that said if you played in one pool as an out player, you could play in the other as a goalie. That might lead to A pool goalies playing out for fun in the b pool, and A pool out players helping us out in goal in the b pool
I suspect Sam might be too good in goal for B pool though. I’ve never seen him in goal, but I hear he’s not too bad!
Ryan
Posted: Apr 25 2006, 08:20 PMGoalie gear might be a problem too. They seem to be quite short on gear in the club room.
Doesn’t matter at the moment coz most of the goalies have their own equipment. But could be a different story if all the goalies were new or non-regular goalies.
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Rookie #19
Posted: Mar 29 2006, 06:04 PMGreat job on the predictions Kyle it brings heaps more fun to the DIHL, look forward to week 3 predictions keep it up.
DOES ANYONE WANT TO BUY A PAIR OF NIKE QUEST V9 SKATES size 10.5D FOR $230, thats bloody cheap and they brand new but don’t fit me very well!!!
Happy skating everyone
Guest
Posted: Mar 29 2006, 06:06 PMQUOTE (Ryan @ Mar 29 2006, 11:02 AM)
Welcome to the forum kabl00ey. Who are you?Hey,
I’m Andrew, from the Sharks. Newbie, pretty much.
kabl00ey
Posted: Mar 29 2006, 06:07 PMQUOTE (Guest @ Mar 29 2006, 05:06 PM)
QUOTE (Ryan @ Mar 29 2006, 11:02 AM)
Welcome to the forum kabl00ey. Who are you?Hey,
I’m Andrew, from the Sharks. Newbie, pretty much.
Arse. Must remember to log in before posting!
kyle
Posted: Mar 30 2006, 11:39 AMMy predictions in brackets after the game, actual result in the text.
Ducks vs Bullfrogs (2-3): This finished up a 7-7 draw. A strange game indeed, which both sides will probably have been disappointed not to win – Ducks because their regular goalie was a no show, and they spend the first 20 minutes of the game with no goalie, and Bullfrogs, because they were 6-2 up at the end of that period of play, and let the Ducks back with 1-5 split in the second half of the game. Matt Aitken and Matthew Reay both pick up hat tricks, as does Pete Sandford for the Bullfrogs. Ducks did well at the end of second and third period, with Bullfrogs hammering heaps of shots on goal, and not able to get past Beasts goalie, Nick Metzger, who stepped in to help the Ducks out. Bullfrogs guilty of letting in a weak goal early in the game off a long icing, and Brendon Dey falling for Matthew Reay’s ‘hey pass it to me’, slapping on the ice trick, while on the breakaway.
Beasts vs Bulls (4-2): Beasts stepped up in a close match here 5-4 victors over the Bulls. Ryan has mangled the stats, so I can’t give you the breakdown on the game.
Kings vs Sharks (2-5): Kings stepped up well from last week, aided by the attendance of Damien Watson, going down 6-3. Sharks goalie Aaron Bryant admitted that he knew that Damien was going to get three goals, so he ‘just focused on all the other players’. Again, who would know who scored for Sharks, until the stats sort themselves out.
John McGlashan vs SK8 (3-4): A real rough game here, one of the toughest I’ve ever seen in the DIHL. A few people put in the box, and a lot of pushing and shoving around the John McGlashan goal area at one stage, as tempers started to fray. John McGlashan took it out 5-3, after it was tied up 3-3 at the beginning of the third period. John McGlashan aided by the appearance of NZ Under 18 player Matt Weir. And yes, there was a shocker of a call in this game – Jesse Roth for SK8 on the breakaway, and a JM player dives and takes him out. The player sat down in the box for 2 minutes, but it was definitely deserving of a penalty shot. Tony Pasco solid in net keeping out a late charge from Dunedin teammates the Roth brothers, who were unable to score in the last period.
Off Ice: Late appearance of Jackie Christos limits work of Ryan in the ‘room’. Referees make suitably ‘shocking call’ but otherwise looking good. Ryan makes complete freaking mess of stats by applying ‘sort’ in excel. Duh.
Ryan
Posted: Mar 31 2006, 11:32 PMHi Rookie #19 and welcome to the forum. As with Andrew, am wondering who you are?
Ryan
Posted: Mar 31 2006, 11:36 PMQUOTE (kyle @ Mar 30 2006, 11:39 AM)
complete freaking mess of stats by applying ‘sort’ in excel. Duh.Smart arse!
It’s fixed now by the way. Or atleast will be in 5 mins.
kyle
Posted: Apr 3 2006, 04:13 PMwhat is it with you lot and photos?
Choose your own photos people. Really…
rookie 19 is Stefan I believe.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 3 2006, 04:44 PMYou need a pic of Matt to complete the cycle!
Then we can truly confuse everyone else.
kyle
Posted: Apr 3 2006, 05:38 PMyup.
Because having ‘real people’ not knowing who the organisers of the dihl really are – that’s what we’re going for.
Top secret, undercover ice hockey competition. We’ll all wear masks and have secret names. I nominate Matt for being known as ‘suicide’. No doubt I’ll be ‘shorty’ or something.
matt a
Posted: Apr 3 2006, 06:02 PMhaha you guys make me laugh.
Predictions for this week – ryanne makes a miraculous complete recovery after some deep-probing sensual massages, courtesy of “shorty”, scores a hat-trick for the ducks and resigns from his current lamo position as bench biatch/ backup orange peeler.
Shorty is bound to outreach some poor hapless forward and steal the puck from him, and if rookie 19 is who shorty says he is, then him and “zanzibar” will “hang out” and be “just friends” haha if anyone else knows what im talking about.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 3 2006, 09:19 PMShorty is definitely NOT giving me a massage.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 3 2006, 09:29 PMPredictions for the week:
Bullfrogs vs Kings:
Bullfrogs thump Kings of course! Even if Damian shows up again.Bulls vs Ducks:
Ducks beat the bulls convincingly. Ryanne peels the greatest orange ever then jumps on ice, falls over and makes a total arse of himself. Ryanne will also probably score an own goal.SK8 vs Sharks:
Sharks beat SK8 but not as convincingly as the Ducks and Bullfrogs will beat their opponents.John McGlashan vs Beasts:
Hard to call. Johnnies will probably lose by a point or so though.Suicide will play his game with a Shorty mask on.
Everyone will think Suicide has a few screws loose.
Everyone will be correct.
kyle
Posted: Apr 4 2006, 01:11 AMKyle’s predictions for week 3:
Bullfrogs vs Kings: Bullfrogs looked sluggish letting Ducks back in last week, with a 1-5 run of goals in the second half of the game. Kings are starting to fire with some goals last week, and it’s doubtful that young goalie Rhys Leask can keep stars Damien and Garett out for long. The key then for the game will be Bullfrogs getting a good number of goals – five or six, in what should be a high-scoring encounter. Picks for the game: Kyle Matthews to get his first goal of the DIHL, Brendon Dey, Sam Smith, and David Bulling to get the rest. Damien to be denied a hat-trick, getting only a double. Final score 6-4 to Bullfrogs.
Bulls vs Ducks: Ducks have looked impressive with a goalie in net, Christchurch import Matthew Reay snuck into the team without the organisers realising how good he was. Bulls have had a couple of games where they’ve come close, but not close enough. It unfortunately won’t be their night again, as Ducks continue their good run of form to win it 4 – 2. Matt Aitken to get a couple, Matthew Reay one, and Abby Green to get the fourth. Tineke Hendry to get a hard-working goal off a rebound in front, Rane Phipps-Blacks to also score for the Bulls.
SK8 vs Sharks: SK8 are another team that has had a couple of hard losses, and they’ll be looking to rebound all over the Sharks. A couple of additions to their roster this week, with Jake Thomson transferring from John McGlashan, and junior Dougal Squire joining team mates the Roth brothers. Sharks have had good form so far, but I’m going out on a limb and picking SK8 to pick up their first win of the season. In a low-scoring game, the Roth brothers will share a couple of goals between them, with Larry Wheeler picking up the game winner. Simon Christos to pick up a couple for the Sharks. Final score 3-2. “Simon’s not really trying” to be heard at least ten times around the rink by spectators.
John McGlashan vs Beasts: This is going to be a good game. The addition of Matt Weir to the John McGlashan team last week added a lot to their team, and put some punch into their play. Beasts won’t be a pushover though, and Nick Metzger has been in good form in the net as his team have posted a couple of victories so far. Final score 4-4. Jack Li to score for Beasts, along with Matt Newton, Rob Owen, and Jason Sedgwick. Matt Weir to get a double, Pete Mannerswood another, and Mark Kliegl to get the game tying goal.
Off Ice: Things starting to smooth out around the place as people start to get used to the systems. Referees heading to shortage crisis as one ref drops out to join a team. Blake Sinclair scares a couple of kids after having teeth chipped by Liam Roth on Sunday night. For the first time, no people given unsharpened skates, thanks to the good work of Stephen Christos.
Ryan
Posted: Apr 5 2006, 10:38 AMRound three stats are now up.
The shots on goal counts are completely wrong though! Sometimes there were more goals than shots on which doesn’t make any sense at all. The scorers must have been a little sleepy or something.
Suicide seems to have amounted a rather impressive goal and assist tally! Easily the top in the league.
There are also some more players with no names which is a little confusing. I’m going to email their team managers to find out what the heck is going on.
Even some of the Bullfrogs had the wrong uniforms on!!! Tsk, tsk Kyle.
kyle
Posted: Apr 5 2006, 02:03 PMI would suggest that you add the shots listed there to the goals scored, to get a better total, but I know that’s not correct. Devin Williams from Kings saved a heap of shots – we had well over 20 on goal, not 10, of which 8 went in. And we had at least another 20 which went wide!
Can you fax over one of the scoresheets to me on 8429? They looked ok to me last night, but I didn’t look at them very closely.
I know you haven’t added the round 3 goalie stats to page 5, but the teams are out – Becky and Rhys played for Bullfrogs not Sharks, etc.
We have problems with tops not being in the bag when we get dressed. The scorebox were told about those that I was aware of, so there should be ‘regular’ numbers crossed out on the scoresheet, and replaced with the numbers that people actually played in.
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matt a
Posted: Mar 24 2006, 08:34 PMhmmm ducks winning 3-2 kyle? conservative, conservative……
kyle
Posted: Mar 25 2006, 01:24 AMYup. New Zealand U19 players not turning up for the kings, doesn’t help with the predictions.
You try do better next week.
matt a
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 05:36 PMlooking forward to reading this weeks predictions kyle….. ‘fraid to say i don’t know shit about who’s good and where the goals will come from, and therefore i probably couldn’t do any better ….. don’t let my comments keep you from doing your pre/post game thing, in fact i say you and “that guy” who runs this website should have big “predict-offs” about who’s gonna do what – that is only if “that guy” rises to the challenge…… i say “hell yeah” he should
kyle
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 06:39 PMKyle’s picks for week two:
Ducks vs Bullfrogs: Big game for two first-round winners here. Key to the game – we know the Ducks can score, can the Bullfrogs get the puck past big Toby Schuck enough times to make a game of it. Ducks are off a big win last week, but shouldn’t find the Bullfrogs – with a good mixed lineup of players, such easy fodder. I can’t go against my own team here, but I’m stretching hard to pick them as winners. Final score 2-3, Matt Aitken picks up one for the Ducks, Tim Honore another, Sam Smith gets a double for the Bullfrogs, David Bulling scores the winner.
Beasts vs Bulls: First round winners the Beasts, up against the best of the losing teams from round one, Bulls. Beasts had a good game first up, but the score was one-sided only because of the clean sheet of goalie Nick Metzger, keeping out 18 shots. If he repeats the feat, Beasts will come away with the win, as the Bulls won’t be heading for a shutout. Final score 4-2. Beasts goals from Jack Li, Jason Sedgwick, and Matt Newton. Kim Senger and Graham Phipps-Black to notch up singles for the Bulls.
Kings vs Sharks: Kings had a bit of a ‘mare last week, and things shouldn’t pick up too much in week two, as Sharks look to continue their winning way. Key for Kings – all players on the team picking up and doing the work, no matter how little or much experience they have on the ice. Sharks have a good solid look to their team, a heap of good players, and a solid goalie. Final Score 2 – 5. Garett Wilson to get one for Kings, and the MacKay brothers to work together on the second. Megan Gilchrist to get one for the Sharks, Simon Christos to pick up a hat trick, and Cory to get another.
John McGlashan vs SK8: SK8 made the shots last week, but just couldn’t find the back of the net. They’ll do better this week, and JM goalie Toby Pasco will have to work hard to keep his team in the game. Key for SK8 – picking up the rebounds putting them away, and preventing John McGlashan from doing the same. Jesse Roth back from illness will make SK8 hard to beat. Final Score 3 – 4. Jesse to get a double, younger brother Liam to get one, and Ryan Wick to pick up a fourth. John McGlashan stars Pete Mannerswood and Matt Weir to split 3 for their team.
Off Ice: Equipment room to be a little messy with Jackie Christos out of town. Referees to make a shocker of a call in the final game. Duties more likely to be absent than present.
Ryan
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 06:39 PMHmm, predictions eh. Well of course the Ducks will win over the Bullfrogs and Kings will lose to the Sharks.
Some slightlier more tricky predictions are. Beasts will win over the Bulls. John McGlashan will thump SK8.
Equipment room to be a highly organised and masterly administered facility due to the diligent preparation and training of “that guy”.
kabl00ey
Posted: Mar 29 2006, 01:35 AMWoo sharks! biggrin.gif
Ryan
Posted: Mar 29 2006, 12:02 PMWelcome to the forum kabl00ey. Who are you?
matt a
Posted: Mar 29 2006, 01:34 PMhey ryan, was just lookin at the goalie stats, its says nick metzger had 10 shots and 5 goals in our game last night, but im sure the bullfrogs scored 5/6 of there goals before he got on, which was halfway through the second period, therefore he should only have 1/2 goals against his name, no? is this because the scoresheet says he played the second and third periods and therefore had 5 goals scored against him?
Ryan
Posted: Mar 29 2006, 02:02 PMQUOTE (matt a @ Mar 29 2006, 01:34 PM)
goalie stats, its says nick metzger had 10 shots and 5 goals in our gameThanks, I meant to go back and put a note on that saying it was probably incorrect. The scorer didn’t record when Nick went on so I had no record of when what goals were scored.
Will fix that soon-ish.Have just heard from Andy that Nick only let one goal in.
Ryan,
Ryan
Posted: Mar 29 2006, 02:10 PMOh crap! All the player stats are out of whack by miles!
NEVER use the SORT command in Excel!!!!!!
I tried to sort the players into rankings. That was an extraordinarily dumb thing to do as it has changed the names in the round data section.
This will be fixed tonight probably.
kyle
Posted: Mar 29 2006, 02:46 PMMatt,
Why do you have a photo of me for you on the board?
Freaking me out.
Ryan
Posted: Mar 29 2006, 03:26 PMQUOTE (kyle @ Mar 29 2006, 02:46 PM)
Matt, Why do you have a photo of me for you on the board?I thought that looked like you!
I figured I was seeing things so didn’t mention anything. It’s a bit hard to see on such a teeny tiny picture.Maybe he secretly wants to be just like you Kyle!?
kyle
Posted: Mar 29 2006, 03:28 PMAs long as I don’t have to be him. I mean, scoring more goals would be good, but the screaming support at full volume while his team was on the breakaway – from on the rink! Thought he was trying to put the goalie off or something.
matt a
Posted: Mar 29 2006, 05:27 PMpsychology is an exact science my friend….. , while im here i might add that the ducks only scored 2 goals on open net, whereas the bullfrogs scored 6 of their 7 goals on an open net…… something to smoke in that pipe of yours, matthews.
kyle
Posted: Mar 29 2006, 05:52 PMWell, only parts of psychology are a science, and the phrase ‘exact science’ is very disputable. Lots of scientists would say that nothing about science is really exact. Others no doubt would argue the other way. Anyway, it’s a work photo, so you really should swap it for one of.. y’know, Matt Aitken.
Ironically, after the game I’ve had people telling me that Bullfrogs have the most stacked team, and we’re too strong. And these people watched us draw a game where the other team didn’t have a goalie for over 20 minutes. Duh.
Although I know that given the situation, we could have, and probably should have, won the game, personally I’m pretty happy to get past the Ducks in the round robin with a draw. If you’d spoken to me before the game and offered me that, I would have taken it no problems.
