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"Kyle":3h14irs5 wrote:Don’t you need a registered electrician to install lights, and guarantee that we won’t burn the stadium down?[/quote:3h14irs5]
It was an electrician who recommended I got Sammy to do it so I assume there’s no problem with that, if there is, then I’ll just ask the electrician nicely for a favour.
"Kyle":3h14irs5 wrote:The city council might also need to approve the work, which, even if Graham was to help with the plans, would still cost… a few hundred dollars I’m guessing. And they might need to inspect it afterwards.[/quote:3h14irs5]I’m no expert either, but I assumed that putting up nets wouldn’t count as building anything per se. Even if a wall was built, it would be more of a barrier, rather than a wall so perhaps wouldn’t need to be defined as such – although that’s probably stretching the law a little too far!
"Kyle":3h14irs5 wrote:I presume on your drawing where you have what looks like 4.99 cm, you mean 4.99 metres?[/quote:3h14irs5]Yep, and like I said in the post above, they’re not accurate by any means, the more accurate numbers are written in the post. The numbers in cm’s were just what OpenOfficeDraw added when I drew it out, I have no idea how to convert them to m’s in the program, plus they program would only do them accurate to around 50cm or so. They’re purely there as a very rough guide.
"Kyle":3h14irs5 wrote:If it’s a shooting gallery, then no net is going to be an adequate replacement for a wall. Nets degrade, do so less obviously (ie, small holes that people might hit occasionally), and if there’s a few hundred slap shots going into it every day, then no net is going to last that long.[/quote:3h14irs5]Well if the existing wall was left there, then there’s no problem with hitting people. All that would be needed I think would be a shield for the cooling tower. In theory the pucks may be able to go over the top of the cooling tower so that is possibly a problem I guess. Indoor cricket centers use netting to keep the balls in and they don’t seem to have any issues with that method and I’m assuming that hockey pucks would be about the same. The main problem with the nets I suspect will be people crashing into them as that would put quite a lot more force onto them than the puck would.
"Kyle":3h14irs5 wrote:You should talk to Paul. I’d imagine he wouldn’t find it difficult to get a thousand dollars from somewhere to do the off ice area. Why do it on the cheap when fundraising and doing it properly won’t cost us any more?[/quote:3h14irs5]The other flip side of the coin … why use fundraising money when we can do it for free? I’d rather see something built immediately and upgraded later (presumably with fundraised money), atleast we can use it in the mean time.
Thanks for all the opinions guys, keep them flowing <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smiley.gif" alt="
” title=”Smiley” /> Feel free to pipe in with any opinions/expert advice.Hopefully I’ll hear back from Hagen soon and then I’ll write up some sort of proposal and run it by Neil. Then (assuming Neil is fine with it) I’ll send it to the DIHA and see what the committee thinks.
Ryan,
Here’s an incredibly crude diagram. If you convert the measurements in cm’s to m’s you’ll get a rough idea of the dimensions.
[img:wrqc05aa]http://www.dunedinicehockey.co.nz/temp/shootinggallerydiagram1.jpg[/img:wrqc05aa]
The thing that looks like a bar code is the goal.
The big fat lines are poles, the far wall is the bottom of the grandstand so it’s at quite a steep angle (~37o between the roof line and the floor). The cooling tower is behind it. There’s a pole in the way, so the rink can’t go right up to the cooling tower, there’d need to be a gap between it and the rink.
If we’re just using nets around the whole place, we’ll likely need big sponge pads around the poles, or someone may nail themselves on them on the way past.
The black line on the right is where the current wall and door is. But we may not need those so hopefully we’ll be able to bash them out.
[b:wrqc05aa]The measurements I made were:[/b:wrqc05aa]
Length of rink = 14.7m + 1.65m (if the wall was knocked out.)
Width of floor = 7.7m
Width of rink = 7.7m – ~3.1m = 4.6m (wider depending on how low we had the roofline/closeness of poles to your head)
Floor:roofline angle = ~37 degrees – judged by eye so not very accurate!
Cooling tower/air conditioner thingy = 2.33×3.86mThe effective rink width could be wider if the nets were angled outwards, ie: you’d need to duck to get into the corner (Kyle will have to kneel <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smiley.gif" alt="
” title=”Smiley” />)On looking at that cooling tower/air conditioner thingy, I reckon we could just cover the fins with some sort of cage and totally enclose the rink with nets. This should be a lot cheaper and easier than building a wall – possibly free if Graham can get the nets for us <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smiley.gif" alt="
” title=”Smiley” />The lighting up there is pretty crap, it’s two fluorescent lights up there at the moment, but there’s no guards over them and an extra light or two would be good. I can probably scam enough lights/guards for us though so that should be an easy fix.
I’ll email Hagen and see if he can source a guard for the cooling tower/air conditioner thingy (anyone know the actual name?). Then I’ll track down Neil and see what he thinks.
[b:wrqc05aa]So in a nutshell – my opinion on the best method of attack here is:
[/b:wrqc05aa] Knock out the existing wall (if we’re allowed)
Nets all round – no new wall
Get cage to protect the cooling thingy
Get some wood/planks to attach to the concrete
Borrow some tools – maybe from James Van Leeuwen (concrete drill etc.)
Get some of bolts and those plastic plug thingamagigs for them into concrete
Install some more fluorescent lights and put guards over the existing ones.
Leave surface as is for the mean time – perhaps upgrade later
Check that we’re actually allowed to do all this and in particular run it by the DIHA and Neil.
Cost, hopefully zero <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smiley.gif" alt="” title=”Smiley” /> As long as we can find some wood, tools and volunteers.Ryan,
"Kyle":3m9m8g2c wrote:I can take pretty much zero credit for the web site. That’s Ryan’s gig.[/quote:3m9m8g2c]Kyle is my technical advisor <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smiley.gif" alt="
” title=”Smiley” /> ie: he tells me when and what I screw up on the site – which tends to be quite a lot and quite often <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/tongue.gif" alt="
” title=”Tongue” />Compliments <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smiley.gif" alt="
” title=”Smiley” /> <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smiley.gif" alt="” title=”Smiley” /> <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smiley.gif" alt="” title=”Smiley” />"Chris":29jwp2v4 wrote:Ryan,On the “About” page, the menu bar is tiled vertically rather than horizontally in IE 6. Is it supposed to be that way, or is that just IE being a pain in the arse?[/quote:29jwp2v4]
Oh poo!Thanks for pointing that out! The about page has (in theory) an improved code/templating system. It’s obviously a little bugged though. Should be fairly easy to fix, it’s been like that for months so will probably fix it in a few weeks. Or maybe before I get time.
Ryan,
"leftrightconfused":3tf2budd wrote:Have you spoken to Neil yet about your plans?
He will need to be put in the picture before any planning gets to far advanced[/quote:3tf2budd]I haven’t, but as far as I know Phil and Deanna have approached him and the concept is definitely okay. And yeah, Neil will need to be totally up to date. I’d just like to get everything organised first rather than going to him with some vague plan and no concrete ideas on how to do it. I’m also hoping that with everything else in place (nets, lighting, people power etc.) that it’ll be easier to convince someone to part with some building materials to stick a wall in there if necessary.
I’m not sure whether we’d need to pay to use such a facility or if it would be like the social/warm rooms which we can use for free. It would be nice to be able to build the thing with no financial support from the rink as that way we’d be less likely to need to pay or at least I’d expect the cost to be minimal. The area isn’t being used at the moment except to store a bunch of junk, so hopefully it will be free – but I would understand if there was a charge as we’d still be using a decent section of space which commercially would be worth quite a lot to rent.
On a a side issue, we’d presumably need to attach the netting to the floor via a block of wood. Block of wood (4×2 or similar) bolted to concrete (need concrete drill and some of those plastic thingies for sticking bolts into) and the nets could then be attached by screws or whatever to the wood. The wood would also act as the boards so the puck could be bounced off them, so for this reason it would be nice to either get some very big bits of wood (6×4 maybe?) or stick planks upright to the side of the blocks to lengthen the height of the boards.
Oh yeah, I have no idea how to wire up a fluorescent light, but apparently Sam Smith knows a bit about that type of thing so hopefully he’ll be happy to do that for us for free.
Ryan,
I’ve now got the lighting sussed, as far as I can remember there’s just some crappy tungsten bulbs up there so I’ve managed to, er, [i:1q07hnps]borrow[/i:1q07hnps], some fluorescent bulbs including protective covers <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smiley.gif" alt="
” title=”Smiley” />I’ll also be heading to the rink tonight to do some measuring etc. so don’t worry about that request for the plans Graham. We do need to find someone to build us a wall though! Any takers? We just need the materials, I’m sure we can get tools, people power etc. no problems at all.
Or do you guys reckon we could get away with no wall and just use nets? Seems a little dodgy to me as I’m not sure I’d just a crappy net to stop [b:1q07hnps]every[/b:1q07hnps] puck which may hit the rather expensive looking air conditioning unit up there. But I don’t own the air conditioning unit and if we could get away with nets that would be a hell of a lot easier!
1X hockey training facility on it’s way! … hopefully!
Ryan,
On second thought!
[b:1gxak3p5]Graham:[/b:1gxak3p5] you don’t happen to have the plans for that part of the rink handy do you? Would save me the job of measuring it all up. I don’t just need a basic floor plan though, as we need to know exactly where the steps for the grandstand are as they make up the shape of the roofline back there. The roofline will make a big difference to where the nets are placed, hence how much netting we need.
Ryan,
"Tom":26k4d34q wrote:Just wondering if any one could invite me to join http://cif-forums.com/vb/[/quote:26k4d34q]I don’t have any invites unfortunately. But I’ve PM’d you my own login username and password to use instead.
Ryan,
Hey, awesome video Tom!
I’m not sure who you are. If you pass on your last name and what team/s you play for I’ll post your video on the home page with a comment about who you are – if you want me to that is.
Ryan,
"Tom":3d5h4rih wrote:Hey Guys,
Just wondering if any one could invite me to join http://cif-forums.com/vb/
and Stefan when you made your highlight video what program did you use because i made a video last week but i couldnt get the commentary to be heard over the music. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNHmaGsBAJk)[/quote:3d5h4rih]Video editing in Windows is a nightmare! I generally just use Windows Movie maker as although it is complete junk it seems to work and is relatively bug free.
If you own a Mac, I suggest upgrading to Quicktime Pro which is totally awesome. You can do pretty much anything you want in Quicktime Pro quickly and easily, far better than any software available for Windows machines. Unfortunately I don’t own a Mac <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sad.gif" alt="
” title=”Sad” />Ryan,
"Chris":80now1p8 wrote:There seems little point in having any surface at all if it doesn’t allow good training for shooting.[/quote:80now1p8]Well, concrete it isn’t useless, just not perfect. Like Aaron said, there’s no substitute for ice, so anything is going to be a compromise unless we actually installed an ice rink up there which isn’t going to happen.
If we can nets for free, then all we need is a wall (I think) and that’s about it, maybe some extra lighting or atleast a cover over the existing light to prevent it being smashed.
Anyone know where we can get some materials to build a wall cheap or even better, for free? Presumably the wall would need to be fairly strong as it’s going to take a pounding from pucks.
If we got the nets and materials to build a wall we could probably get this thing knocked up fairly quickly and be training on it before the season starts <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smiley.gif" alt="
” title=”Smiley” />Ryan,
Shooting off of concrete isn’t the same as shooting from ice, it does screw your technique up a bit. An epoxy paint surface wouldn’t help that either but it will make it much grippier for inline skates – plain concrete is mega slippery, although it’s not impossible to skate on. The Blenheim inline hockey rink for example has a similar surface, although it isn’t very popular.
Painting the surface would also brighten it up a bit and make it look prettier too. I wouldn’t think it would be worth painting it unless we could do it very cheaply though as the benefit wouldn’t be that great, the purpose of the facility would be mainly for shooting and puck handling which would be just as good on plain concrete as a painted surface – possibly a little better even.
The plastic tiles (Sport Court, Ice Court etc.) give a similar feel to ice when shooting on hence I was suggesting them.
I’m inclining towards having the plain concrete surface as is, with one of those UHMW polyurethane pads for shooting on, like they have at SK8.
Ryan,
PS: If I have time on Sunday I’ll do some more more accurate measurements of the area so we can work out how much netting we need.
Hmm, I was assuming it would be such a specialised type of paint that the average painter wouldn’t know.
From the experts that I have discussed this with (some guys who saw the surface being painted in Christchurch), the paint is specially designed for inline hockey, with a specific amount of additive to give the correct amount of grip, thickness etc. It also needs to be added in quite a few layers to make sure it doesn’t wear out.
But you could well be right, it is paint after all and a paint shop/painter would be a logical place to start! Atleast we know where to go try to scam a cheap paint job <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smiley.gif" alt="
” title=”Smiley” />Ryan,
"Kyle":140tvnju wrote:I’m still voting on the epoxy paint.[/quote:140tvnju]Yeah, I’ve been trying to avoid anything that wont work with ice pucks and epoxy paint definitely wont, they’ll just flip and roll like crazy. It would be very easy to do though, just paint it on and it would likely be cheaper than any of the other options above.
Any idea where you get that stuff from? I had a hunt online but couldn’t much info. about it, presumably because most rinks use Sport or Ice Court.
We could email the NZIHA who will likely be able to point us in the direction if noone on here knows.
Ryan,
UHMW polyurethane is apparently hopeless for use with inline skates so that idea is out of the question. Perhaps the best option may be to just get the netting and wall etc. sorted and worry about the surface afterwards. The surface up there looks okay for use with inline skates, certainly better than asphalt anyway. Unless anyone has a strong view on the surface issue that is.
Now to chase up the netting/wall issue ….
Ryan,
