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Haha u have to let the community know!! I remember this person from last year commenting its quite funny i think!
Oh as for the tint or colour of the visor, that has no effect on the HECC cert. The same visor in clear is still HECC non-cert.
I fully agree on the fact that rules are there for a reason.
But to my understanding, until now there has not been a rule the visors have to be HECC cert. Could be wrong?? So up until this point, how is it wrong for my boss to be selling HECC non-certified visors?? They are no cheaper for him to get, hes just helping people get gear they cant from new zealand. The rink sell non certified visors also, as I dont think the rules have had a problem with these types of visors until now. Again could be wrong.
A visor is a visor, and believe me, pretty much the same damage could be done to someones face whether certified or not, as visors can only move to a certain point upwards on the helmet anyway.
The important factor here is that people are actually wearing something over their eyes, preventing serious injury, as opposed to having no facial protection at all.
Anyway im not too worried what happens with the rules, I think the rules have worked a wonder so far, and refs have been awesome at enforcing them, yet still keeping the game flowing smoothly, which is great!! Basically im just suggesting that for our in-house competitions some of the less important rules are applied sensibly, at a level that works for us.
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” title=”Cool” />Kyle,
So basically for the half visor to be HECC certified there must be attachments at the side AND the top part of the visor, which is all fine. BUT
Most players that wear a visor in Dunedin do not have these attachments (I think only christos and steve jackson have them, mabye a few others), All im saying is good luck trying to get half of the prems players to buy new visors, haha its just an unnecessary rule if it were to be enforced. Im not arguing with the rules as such, but I simply believe the rules we use in New Zealand and especially dunedin, need to be applied sensibly to the level of play we have here. In Canada it would be fine to just change your visor in terms of cost etc, but id have a hard time parting with another $100 at least here, due to an unnecessary technicality.
I know there are very valid reasons for some of the rules, but it would be cool if we could just play hockey.
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” title=”Cheesy” />Also, about the HECC cert. Dont think any half-visor is HECC certified, jofa, ccm, oakley etc definately make HECC certified visors, but dont think there is such thing as an HECC certified half-visor. Could be wrong
Ok i see what u mean about having rules for all, but surely u agree how pathetic it is? I just dont think rules like this have a place in new zealand hockey!
It isnt a safety hazard, it isnt giving anyone a huge advantage its quite funny really, i would be pretty dark if i was sent off for having my visor haha. Some people have tried them and say theyr too dark to see out of, so i guess its like anything, its all about personal preference. But yea, the only time another team would pull out something like this is if they were losing, so we will see what happens.
Thanks for clearing it up though kyle, i might bring my cage with me to hockey from now on!
Yea I see it is a new rule, but it is a ridiculous rule in my opinion, and refs would have to be kidding if they were to enforce it in New Zealand.
Players have worn them in the latest IIHF world champs, the only visors that have been banned are the full mirror tinted ones, where eyes cannot be seen at all.Some people wear cages, and some wear visors, surely there is already an advantage for those wearing visors? Some could also argue it is in some way harder to see through a tinted visor than a clear one, so mabye it goes both ways. I brought mine because it was cheap!
I just dont want to go away and have some ref telling me i cant play because of something as insignificant as a visor tint! From what u are saying kyle, the ref can make what they want of that rule and it is an interpretation rule or something? But anyway, we will see what happens.
C everyone 2nite!
With visors, basically anything not fully covering your face will not be HECC certified, as to be HECC cert. they normally must cover the whole face. Basically they cannot certify anything leaving a part of the face exposed because this does not garantee resistance to injury, well at least that is my understanding of it.
There are going to be some crazy interpretations of rules, but i urge new refs to not get hung up on insignificant rules, as often in New Zealand especially in Inline Hockey, some new younger refs get caught up with silly rules and enforcing them. Meanwhile, they forget to enforce rules that make the game safer, like high sticking or slashing etc. Sorry to go off on a bit of a tangent here, i just feel that the new rules need to be phased in for sure, but traditional rules need to be remembered also!!
The other day, someone informed me about an interpretation of a rule that states a visor “must be clear and transparent”, which amused me. I wondered if anyone could tell me whether me and ryan having tints on our visors is deemed to be breaking of the rules?? Because under IIHF standards these visors are sweet and worn quite commonly. As it is an interpretation rule, in New Zealand if we travelled away for games and someone brought the rule up because they were losing or something, im wondering whether we could be told to remove them?? If anyone can let me know that would be great.
It is amusing when rules like this are enforced, as in New Zealand no one plays at a level where a tinted visor, for example; is going to have a significant impact on a game!! I know in the NHL, Martin Brodeur (a really good goalie for those of u not up with the play), complained because he could not see someones eyes through their visor, and mabye at that level of hockey it is justified, but definately not in N.Z! A young ref told me to watch out incase a ref on the ice saw my visor, which i found quite funny. I fully respect the refs here and i think even the relatively inexperienced ones do such a good job: its such a help for the sport, but just remember not to be too picky unless something could cause injury or impact the game a great deal.
Anyway thats just my opinion on a few things, thats pretty much the longest thing iv ever written.
Peace and Godbless,
STIFFHey dudes and dudesses,
Yea man the sportcourt would be by far the better option, the tiles i would estimate to be 250mmx250mm i dunno, mabye closer to 300mm?
Why i suggested contacting palmerston inline hockey, is basically because the Palmerston North club were looking at getting sportcourt specifically designed for hockey, but the rights to the design are owned by a north american company. They did not want to pay the patent or whatever its called, so they designed their own tiles which are very similar in design to the north american ones, but are square instead of triangular (which are the original N. A. design).Palmerston has had some problems with them but nothing major, and in my opinion these tiles are the most alike surface to ice that I have come across. There is practically no maintainence with them, and the puck slides extremely well, just like ice. I would fully recommend these tiles, we were going to get them in Napier at one stage and were sent a sample of them which we used to practice some skills on. They proved a very good surface.
No offence or anything, but this ice court thing doesnt make sense, I imagine there would be a whole lot more maintenance, and think about it: A razor sharp blade cutting into some plastic surface had got to do some serious damage!! I just cant see how this type of surface would work without a whole lot of maintenance we dont really want to put up with.
I fully agree with you on the fact that we need the closest thing we can get to ice, so that training is as effective and applicable to ice as possible. However any practice is good practice and the fundamentals are the same, if you can shoot top-shelf on an inline surface, chances are you can do this on ice as well!!Anyway peace and godbless 😉 ,
STIFF #19Hey i dont think these special surfaces are the best idea, I fully agree with kyle!!
Put a good sportscourt surface down and play inline hockey! Now this is not just cheap advertising, but we have superskills training balls at SK8 which have been specifically designed, and are the best i believe; at replicating the feel of an ice puck. The ball strikes the stick blade at the exact point that an ice puck would, and they are weighted so that they move at a similar speed to a puck on ice. The weight when shooting is also very alike to that of an ice puck. I have one myself and they are the best thing I have ever trained with, and believe me I have tried everything, golf balls, pool balls, tennis balls, and even an array of fruit.
Why not use a few of these and play up there, whether its a good surface or not, everyone has, or can get hold of; some inlines, and we have free (im guessing) practice time!! Id be fully keen to do this, as I have worn through stick blades all summer on the concrete!! Any relatively smooth surface would be a luxury, even if there was a bunch of us just passing the ball round or whatever, this would be great for training!! There are stairs there to run, and the beach could be used for a training session. Or perhaps im getting carried away here!?
Palmerston North rink is a great rink, although it is not the best, those kind of tiles would be great upstairs at the rink. The palmerston club got the tiles for approx. $6 a tile for the whole rink, in total I dont know what that adds to, as I am a P.E. student, but im guessing it would be less than 10K. So mabye contact them and see where they got them from??
If not, just paint the floor and play hockey! it doesnt need to be a state of the art rink or anything, if people want to improve, they will train no matter what the training facilities are like, we just need the ok from neil or what ever.
Peace y’all,
STIFFI have heard of this stuff too, however, I dont see how it works.
If you can use normal ice skates on it and can hockeystop etc, then how do u repair it. Im assuming that a hockey stop would damage the surface in some way, so how is it maintained??Hey bro,
I have your watch, sorry i was too lazy and forgetful to tell you!
The Canadian guy found both your shirt and your watch and gave them to me to pass on which was really good of him.Hey guys some good discussion.
I still think early mornings are a good idea, as ultimately its all about how much you want to get better, and I would think there would be enough interest to at least cover the ice time costs of an early morning skate.
I am aware that many people will have commitments preventing them from getting to the rink at 5am and this is fine, but although this may seem like a ridiculous idea to some, with a little commitment and effort, I think many others would be able to get to practice at this time of day.
Many people hold keys to the rink, I am aware graham does, surely neil could trust myself with a key, or being that I work at SK8 mabye he wouldn’t.
I may have a talk to Neil, but will most likely get laughed at, or not taken seriously like a committee member would.The session I had in mind basically would be a time to muck around with a puck, mabye followed by a game or drills, as I feel there is not enough of this for ice hockey here in Dunedin. As the ice time is very precious, all the sessions we have are serious and we go straight into a game or drills. I think (especially at the start of the season) we need time to just get the feel back for ice, by simply doing what we want on the ice. Although I agree with the fact that ice time should be used wisely, in terms of player development and getting better, we shouldn’t rush into high intensity games and drills when we still need to find our legs on the ice first.
I still think there should be something done about allowing hockey players to take sticks on the ice in a public session (no pucks). It is so much different skating with a stick in your hands, in terms of balance and technique. In saying this, however; I can see exactly where Neil is coming from with not allowing sticks on the ice. Its basically an “all or nothing” rule, so if senior players are allowed to skate with sticks, juniors would also be allowed to, and this is where problems would arise. I can see kids getting silly when given this privelege, and this could result in injuries, and even the rink getting in trouble, which is the last thing anyone wants. I know its complicated, but surely there is a way, such as splitting the ice up. Have normal skaters in 3-quarters of the ice surface, and hockey players with sticks in the area past one blue-line, or something like that.
Quite often I find there are only a bunch of hockey players on the ice in public sessions during the week, and no-one else, in this case it makes sense that the rink allows those people to take sticks on the ice. I would think anyway, that crazy kids on those ice trolley/cart things would be more of a safety risk than players simply holding sticks!!!
Anyway just my thoughts, whether u agree with them or not thats up to you, but there are definately options there i believe.
Cu all Sunday,
STIFFKyle, I was just wondering what the situation is in the mornings whether u know about ice availability. Mabye its just me, I dont know how keen other people would be, but im interested in training in the mornings, like 6-7am or something.
Surely no-one is using the ice then, and personally I want to be training more, but the whole extra inline hockey training is making me shit on ice, so to have a training on ice at anytime would be good, id be keen at 5am if thats what it takes!! Swimmers do it!!
I just think to get better we need to be training more, its pretty casual here.
I would think it would be discounted for the crap times, so if i could get some guys together, would the rink be interested u recon??
At this time of the day u still have time for a shower and to get to uni etc. And personally I think training feels great before the day starts as opposed to at night.Mabye you all think im crazy, but I would love to have this opportunity, as I think for Dunedin to become one of the Premier places for ice hockey in all age groups, we need to train more. My mate playing for prems in Auckland plays with a lot of ice black guys and their social team trains in mornings and a lot more than our premier team do, we are never going to catch up to players like them if we dont have more training time!!
Anyway let me know if you have any ideas,
Peace
