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Also. If anyone’s found a small elbow pad a few weeks ago, probably in the same changing room. That’s my son’s. We’d love that back too!
I hadn’t even realised I’d left my shirt there. Duh.
Yay for ‘The Canadian Guy’, whichever one you’re talking about.
yeah, banning individual IPs will get you nowhere, except a long list of IP addresses.
Most places ban ip ranges. which can be a bit harsh, but to be honest, we’re not too concerned if people overseas get banned, and that’s probably where all these are coming from.
And the answer is: Thirteen year olds are fine. Tom can you email me at kyle.matthews@otago.ac.nz and let me know who you are etc? That way you’ll be on the list.
Thanks,
KyleYeah it’s not my decision, it’s the decision of the guy who’s running the course, he’s from Queenstown and we’re waiting to hear back. I’m just trying to round up as many people as possible, so it’s good that you’re keen.
The other issue is that being qualified is only half the story. Refereeing games, at least games run by the Dunedin Ice Hockey Association, requires that you’re chosen by the head referee. I don’t know what criteria he uses for that (at present we’re so short that ‘qualified’ is the main criteria!), but certainly age and experience would be two of the things I presume he’d consider. There certainly should be an age limit (5 is definitely too young!), but I don’t know what it is.
Hopefully he’ll get back to us soon.
"Ryan":ub4spx4d wrote:Is it possible to get more time on Sunday incase there’s a nice big influx of players into the B-grade? So four games on Sunday, one on Tuesday for a total of 10 teams? It’s probably not likely, but you never know how much luck you might get come registration time.[/quote:ub4spx4d]Umm, I think it’s not possible at this stage to get more time on Sunday. They’re finishing the social session 15 minutes early so everything can shunt forwards, I can’t imagine they’d knock another hour off it. I think they should look at the length of their social sessions – 6 hours is a massive amount of time to offer – but that’s not my call. I did social ice skating once up in Christchurch, and they seemed to have six hours there, but split into two sessions, so one went from 11 – 2, and another from 2- 5. If you wanted to be there all six hours you had to pay twice.
I couldn’t imagine us going up to 10 teams unless all of a sudden we had an influx of half the high school competition teams. There’s no indication of that happening that I know of.
But a 10 team competition is an interesting number. To match up with the four team A grade competition (running a double round-robin plus finals week) we’d want 7 weeks. A triple round-robin in the A grade plus finals would be 10 weeks, but that pushes us through until after university exams have finished and a second lot of school holidays , university holidays etc. A full 10 team B grade round-robin is 9 weeks, plus at least one week for the final, which matches an A grade possibility, but too long.
Splitting the 10 team B grade into two pools (with a double-bye) requires five weeks for the round-robin, but each team has only played four games (and a bye). So you’ve got two weeks left and to match up with the A grade, they need to play three more games. There’s no real finals series that I can think of which would sensibly take 3 weeks either.
The only way to do it would be to take the bye teams from each pool and have them play off in a friendly game each week. That means the weeks matches the number of games). And then play a two week finals round – probably top four semis, next four semis, and then bottom two, followed by 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, and then losers of the second set of semis playing the bottom two teams. That’s the only way I can imagine a 10 team competition would work in 7 weeks, but I’m open to other suggestions.
I’m gunning for 8 teams in 7 weeks this time around. For 8 teams in 7 weeks, I was thinking two pools with 3 weeks for the round-robin, and then take the top two teams from each pool and put them in a smaller B grade, and the bottom two teams from each pool, and play a C grade. That’s another 3 weeks for the round robin of those, leaving one week for finals playoff between 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8. I would think you’d wipe your points between round-robin rounds, but retain your player stats etc. Each team would either play two teams twice, or one team three times, and would miss out on playing two teams out of the eight.
If we did go to that extra game with 14 teams in all (7!), I suspect we’d be looking at having two games on the Tuesday, because A grade I’m not so concerned about their bed times. A grade would start at 8:30 or so, and the second game would finish and 10:40.
The other thing that needs to happen is that players here need to get better about their use of the ice time. When the referee opens the gates the players need to be ready. Quick warmup, referee shouldn’t have to wait to drop the puck beginning of each period. Short times between periods, and then after the game, quick cheer and handshake and everyone off the ice. The casual attitude to time isn’t going to last, as the ice gets busier and busier, if players can’t do these things faster, then game time is just going to get shorter – 10 minute final period of something. At some stage a game is going to have to fit in an hour, because that’s all we actually pay for.
To jump back to the original topic. Sunday is confirmed. Beginners will slip back to start at 5pm for the last Sunday this month. Sunday social game will follow afterwards until the DIHL starts, at which time it will have to move (to Saturday evening).
The DIHL will have a nightmare split, if we go for 6 games a week, it’ll be 2 A grade games on Tuesday night, and 4 B grade games, one on Tuesday, three on Sunday.
I hate the split in the B grade. It’s not confirmed yet that we’ll go for 8 teams in that grade, if it stays at six teams (or 7 I guess), then all three games would happen on one night. But if we start at 6pm and try and play four games straight, we don’t finish until 10:30, and given that we accept 12 year olds to play, that’s just too late.
I got this email from Richard Sykes from OBHS tonight:
Hi Kyle
The big guy in the photo looks like Blair Kennedy, Year 12 at OBHS.
He isn’t an Ice Hockey player and I did not see him at any of the games.I haven’t spoken to him about it but am fairly confident he didn’t take
the stuff, nobody recognised the other guy in the photo.Sorry this took so long I just wanted to make reasonably sure that I had
the right guy.Richard Sykes
I’ll email Richard back to thank him tomorrow.
Michael, I guess you should pass this onto the police and ask them to follow up.
I was presuming that the fence would keep them out.
A rink that was generally open to anyone to come along… that would be a bad plan I think.
There’s a lot of inline rinks around the country that use wooden boards. It makes it a little tricky to make the corners, but as long as the wood is of reasonable quality, and you’re prepared to paint it, put kickboards in, and replace them if they get broken, it’s not a bad option. It works better than ice rinks because the puck is lighter, and like Ryan said, you can’t go bashing people into them, and water isn’t an issue. It’s also much easier to use the boards for advertising/sponsorship if they’re wood than something like the ice rink where damaging the boards by screwing advertising into them would be a crime.
You wouldn’t have glass like the ice rink does, but that’s not unusual in either inline hockey or ice rinks around NZ – the only places I know of that have glass are Dunedin and Palmy Inline rink, though I presume there’s more than that around the country.
As for the rest – if Paul thinks he can get some money, and you think you can design something which will work on the funds, I can look into the rest of it. Ryan will help, he’ll be looking for something new to do now that he’s the whizz with the web sites.
"Paul Roth":chsf7ih3 wrote:Rain coming in at a slant would be a problem, as Kyle says. Solution: Heavy plastic sheeting inside of the wire fencing?[/quote:chsf7ih3]We also need to think about light here. If there’s a roof of any sort then your light either has to be artificial (and I have no idea how much it would cost to get electricity into the carpark, let alone all the lights) or come in through the walls. The sheeting would limit that, and you might need lights to bring it up to a level you could play in. Christchurch had windows as well as lights, Nelson just has lights. I can’t imagine enough light comes through heavy material which forms a roof and walls to play hockey in – the closest I could think would be from inside a tent, which gets pretty dim
Of course, if you wanted to use it during evenings (which during the winter pretty much means, “at all during weekdays”) you’d need some lights.
The lighting wouldn’t need to be as much as they have inside the ice rink, as that’s very well illuminated, but that wouldn’t change the need to bring electrical power to the facility.
"Ryan":1bwuudeh wrote:I like Pauls idea of a very basic rink with a ‘Cook’ style pull over tarpauline type thingy and a basic fence to keep the hooligans out. Realistically a whole building is probably out of the question, the Christchurch rink couldn’t sustain itself with a whole fleet of clubs so building a full rink in Dunedin with absolutely no player base isn’t really justified IMO – although it would be very nice <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smiley.gif" alt="
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My concern with going with a ‘tent’ model is three-fold. Firstly it’s a path you’re going down, that doesn’t lead anywhere further than that. That is, uprights that hold up tarps won’t hold up a proper roof, so if at some stage in the future you want to put a proper roof on it, you have to tear down what you’ve invested in and put up new stuff. Better to put up stuff now which could see it through 20 years.
Secondly, it’s incredibly flimsy and unreliable. If it gets a tear in it, we’d lose the rink completely until the tear is fixed, or we get dry weather. A barn style roof is much solider and reliable, and much easier to fix – anyone with a hammer and nails can replace a bit of tin.
Lastly, even if your rink was 20 metres wide, you need the roof to be wider to stop rain falling on an angle and to have a small area outside the rink that wasn’t wet. So at least 25 metres. Retractable or not (I’d guess the retractable is very expensive) you’re looking at having to build a roof structure to mount that on. I suspect that’s most of the cost, roofing iron to cover that area would be about $18,000 – the cost is going to be in the supports, not the actual roof, so the roofing material isn’t a great saving.
I looked at boards a few years ago when were flopped trying to host the university games. For 40 by 20 metres, we got a couple of quotes in the $20,000 range. Slightly bigger rink – $25 – $30,000.
I really know nothing about concrete, but I’d presume if some volunteer labour was used, then you could do the whole thing for about $200,000 as Paul suggested.
"Ryan":1bwuudeh wrote:NZIHA regulations require inline hockey rinks to be between 60-30m and 40-20m. 40-20m is definitely on the small side of things but beggers can’t be choosers and I’d personally be happy with a rink that size, although I suspect Kyle will beg to differ <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smiley.gif" alt="” title=”Smiley” />[/quote:1bwuudeh]
Of course! My argument again would be, that if you’re going to do it, then laying down 40 metres of concrete limits you as to what can be done. It would be a massive investment to lay down another 10 metres and make it a reasonable size, because you’d have to rip down the roof and move it out five metres one way and ten metres the other and take out all your boards etc. 50 metres by 25 metres, opens you up for major tournaments, including southern region, easter games, hosting other teams. Christchurch teams would travel down for weekend training camps, since they don’t have their own facility anymore.
40 by 20 really only opens it up for people playing dinky small local games, and like we found with the Caledonian, people would compare it badly with the ice rink and wouldn’t commit to the sport. We have 35 metres by 17 metres there, why invest $200,000 to get another 5 metres in length?
I’m not sure what the minimum age is, but I suspect 14 probably is under what they’d normally take. I’ll find out and post back here.
"Paul Roth":6u2rkctl wrote:I agree, Kyle, I see a roof as pretty necessary. But the facility isn’t going to attract a lot of funding, nor is it likely to ever attract very much. For one thing, the funders like to see some connection with a national sports body, which I guess we don’t have anymore for inline..[/quote:6u2rkctl]Au contraire!
Or at least, the national body for inline is still going strong. http://www.nziha.com/
They’re much better organised than the NZIHF as far as I can tell. They’re just weak down here. But if there was a facility down here suitable for tournaments, we’d get Southern region games – probably two weekends a year, and would be able to look at university games, and hosting Christchurch teams as well (who don’t have a rink at present).
Well anyway, you’re onboard with the roof which is a good thing. No doubt we’ll talk more.
